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Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:28 pm to Uncle Stu
you obviously don't have anything so I wont waste my time
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:28 pm to Uncle Stu
Oh come on
Jesus was a real man
Jesus was a real man
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:29 pm to beejon
quote:
Evidence please, not a cartoon.
Every single fossil that is found is more evidence that macroevolution occurs. Each fossil is dated by multiple methods multiple times, and of the millions of fossils found so far, none of them have been "out of place" in the history of the world. What I mean is that "modern" species are never found in the same layers of rock as very old species, nor or they ever dated to such time periods through radiometric methods. Every time a fossil of a previously undescribed species is found, its age always places it in a "hole" between two other species that we have placed on our "tree of life". We don't find T-Rex fossils that date to a billion years old as they didn't evolve until later. Similarly, we don't find human fossils that date to the time of the dinosaurs. What we do find are clear "steps" from one type of creature to the next, and each and every time they are found in the layers of rock as would be expected, and they date to the correct time period through radiometric dating. Every single time.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:30 pm to Roger Klarvin
According to the laws of nature as we understand them today, both sides must invoke the supernatural in order to reason either (a) some supernatural god did it or (b) something came from nothing, inherently supernatural in that it violates the very laws of nature we hold as true.
This is why I claim that people should be Deists at a bare minimum with the concept of a "deity" being nothing more than some supernatural force, be it a god or otherwise.
This is why I claim that people should be Deists at a bare minimum with the concept of a "deity" being nothing more than some supernatural force, be it a god or otherwise.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:33 pm to tiger25
quote:
you obviously don't have anything
there's nothing to "have"
it's a series of fictitious stories written by men, changed, altered, molded over a thousand years to suit a purpose
quote:
so I wont waste my time
based on your earlier statement, I'd say you've excelled at wasting your time
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:35 pm to jimbeam
Hmm, I'm guessing lots of trolling and tards in here?
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:35 pm to MintBerry Crunch
I dunno.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:36 pm to tiger25
So in Noah's great flood story where the rain water covered all the land... Noah was tasked to place all these pairs of animals in his ark.
Question: Was this flood fresh water or salt water?
What happen to all the fresh water or salt water animals and plant life because they cannot exist in both environments. Unless God spontaneously change their physiology, but He could have just spontaneously given all the land animals gills and save poor Noah a bunch of work.
Question: Was this flood fresh water or salt water?
What happen to all the fresh water or salt water animals and plant life because they cannot exist in both environments. Unless God spontaneously change their physiology, but He could have just spontaneously given all the land animals gills and save poor Noah a bunch of work.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:37 pm to Lokistale
I heard it was brackish
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:38 pm to Uncle Stu
im sure that if this book that has been created would have several contradictions since it was compiled of several letters and documents by other people right?
well I ask you to give me just 1 contradiction in the bible. just one. you give me that and I will happily stop posting in the thread.
well I ask you to give me just 1 contradiction in the bible. just one. you give me that and I will happily stop posting in the thread.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:39 pm to tiger25
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give me one thing that shouldn't be taken literally
talking serpent
parting of the red sea
the world's various languages originated as told in the story of Babel
etc
etc
etc
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:39 pm to Uncle Stu
The Astonishing Pattern of SEVENS in Genesis 1:1
(from "The Signature of God" by Grant R. Jeffrey)
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" (Genesis 1:1)
Ivan Panin carefully examined the Hebrew text of Genesis 1:1 and discovered an incredible phenomenon of multiples of 7 that could not be explained by chance. Genesis 1:1 was composed of seven Hebrew words containing a total of 28 letters. Throughout the Bible the number seven appears repeatedly as a symbol of divine perfection—the 7 days of creation, God rested on the 7th day, the 7 churches, the 7 seals, the 7 trumpets, etc. In total, Panin discovered 30 separate codes involving the number 7 in this first verse of the Bible.
A Partial Listing of the Phenomenal Features of Sevens Found in Genesis 1
1 The number of Hebrew words = 7
2 The number of letters equals 28 (7x4 = 28)
3 The first 3 Hebrew words translated "In the beginning God created" have 14 letters (7x2 = 14)
4 The last four Hebrew words "the heavens and the earth" have 14 letters (7x2 = 14)
5 The fourth and fifth words have 7 letters
6 The sixth and seventh words have 7 letters
7 The three key words: God, heaven and earth have 14 letters (7x2 = 14)
8 The number of letters in the four remaining words is also 14 (7x2 = 14)
9 The shortest word in the verse is the middle word with 7 letters
10 The Hebrew numeric value of the first, middle and last letters is 133 (7x19 = 133)
11 The Hebrew numeric value of first and last letters of all seven words is 1393 (7x199 = 1393)
When professors on the mathematics faculty at Harvard University were presented with this biblical phenomenon they naturally attempted to disprove its significance as a proof of divine authorship. However, after valiant efforts these professors were unable to duplicate this incredible mathematical phenomenon. The Harvard scientists used the English language and artificially assigned numeric values to the English alphabet. They had a potential vocabulary of over 400,000 available English words to choose from to construct a sentence about any topic they chose. Compare this to the limitations of word choices in the biblical Hebrew language which has only forty-five hundred available word choices that the writers of the Old Testament could use. Despite their advanced mathematical abilities and access to computers the mathematicians were unable to come close to incorporating 30 mathematical multiples of 7 as found in the Hebrew words of Genesis 1:1.
The number "seven" permeates the totality of Scripture because the number speaks of God's divine perfection and perfect order. The actual number 7 appears 287 times in the Old Testament (7 x 41 = 287) while the word "seventh" occurs 98 times (7 x 14 = 98). The word "seven-fold" appears seven times. In addition, the word "seventy" is used 56 times (7 x 8 = 56).
Ivan Panin discovered literally thousands of such mathematical patterns underlying all of the books of the Old Testament before his death in 1942. I refer the interested reader to Panin's book, The Inspiration of the Scriptures Scientifically Demonstrated, which discusses these phenomena extensively. Panin and others have examined other Hebrew literature and have attempted to find such mathematical patterns, but they are not found anywhere outside the Bible.
(from "The Signature of God" by Grant R. Jeffrey)
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" (Genesis 1:1)
Ivan Panin carefully examined the Hebrew text of Genesis 1:1 and discovered an incredible phenomenon of multiples of 7 that could not be explained by chance. Genesis 1:1 was composed of seven Hebrew words containing a total of 28 letters. Throughout the Bible the number seven appears repeatedly as a symbol of divine perfection—the 7 days of creation, God rested on the 7th day, the 7 churches, the 7 seals, the 7 trumpets, etc. In total, Panin discovered 30 separate codes involving the number 7 in this first verse of the Bible.
A Partial Listing of the Phenomenal Features of Sevens Found in Genesis 1
1 The number of Hebrew words = 7
2 The number of letters equals 28 (7x4 = 28)
3 The first 3 Hebrew words translated "In the beginning God created" have 14 letters (7x2 = 14)
4 The last four Hebrew words "the heavens and the earth" have 14 letters (7x2 = 14)
5 The fourth and fifth words have 7 letters
6 The sixth and seventh words have 7 letters
7 The three key words: God, heaven and earth have 14 letters (7x2 = 14)
8 The number of letters in the four remaining words is also 14 (7x2 = 14)
9 The shortest word in the verse is the middle word with 7 letters
10 The Hebrew numeric value of the first, middle and last letters is 133 (7x19 = 133)
11 The Hebrew numeric value of first and last letters of all seven words is 1393 (7x199 = 1393)
When professors on the mathematics faculty at Harvard University were presented with this biblical phenomenon they naturally attempted to disprove its significance as a proof of divine authorship. However, after valiant efforts these professors were unable to duplicate this incredible mathematical phenomenon. The Harvard scientists used the English language and artificially assigned numeric values to the English alphabet. They had a potential vocabulary of over 400,000 available English words to choose from to construct a sentence about any topic they chose. Compare this to the limitations of word choices in the biblical Hebrew language which has only forty-five hundred available word choices that the writers of the Old Testament could use. Despite their advanced mathematical abilities and access to computers the mathematicians were unable to come close to incorporating 30 mathematical multiples of 7 as found in the Hebrew words of Genesis 1:1.
The number "seven" permeates the totality of Scripture because the number speaks of God's divine perfection and perfect order. The actual number 7 appears 287 times in the Old Testament (7 x 41 = 287) while the word "seventh" occurs 98 times (7 x 14 = 98). The word "seven-fold" appears seven times. In addition, the word "seventy" is used 56 times (7 x 8 = 56).
Ivan Panin discovered literally thousands of such mathematical patterns underlying all of the books of the Old Testament before his death in 1942. I refer the interested reader to Panin's book, The Inspiration of the Scriptures Scientifically Demonstrated, which discusses these phenomena extensively. Panin and others have examined other Hebrew literature and have attempted to find such mathematical patterns, but they are not found anywhere outside the Bible.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:41 pm to tiger25
quote:The New Testament contradicts nearly everything the Old Testament says.
well I ask you to give me just 1 contradiction in the bible. just one. you give me that and I will happily stop posting in the thread.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:42 pm to Lokistale
if you read the story of noah in the bible the whole point of the flood was to destroy the earth because of how corrupt and messed up it was due to the people living at the time. just to have a fresh start. does that make sense?
and to your question I don't know. im sorry I cant answer your question. I don't know if anyone knows the answer to that question. maybe someone does I don't know.
and to your question I don't know. im sorry I cant answer your question. I don't know if anyone knows the answer to that question. maybe someone does I don't know.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:42 pm to Korkstand
give me an example
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:43 pm to tiger25
quote:
understand that these laws were made for a specific people in a specific time period. does that make sense?
how come that is said every time about those laws, then...... when talking about the issue of gays, the levitical law of "Man shall not lay with a Man" is used?
I really want to know that one.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:44 pm to BigEdLSU
quote:
BigEdLSU
Apparently you didn't read the link I posted earlier.
LINK
quote:
As my first example, I will write a short statement which will express my view of the first sentence in the book of Genesis as follows: IN THIS SENTENCE I SEE NO MIRACLES.
Let us look at my statement printed above in capitals. It is obvious that this sentence was not contrived using any special tricks as its gist is germane to the ongoing discussion.
What we see in that sentence is as follows:
The number of words is 7.......Seven
The number of letters equals 28 (28/4=7).......Seven
The first three words contain 14 letters (14/2=7).......Seven
The last four words have 14 letters (14/2=7).......Seven
The word in the middle (I) is the shortest but together with the word to the left and the two words to the right it totals 14 letters (14/2=7).......Seven
The numerical value of the last letters of all seven words is 329.......(329/47=7).......Seven
The number of letters in the words occupying odd positions is 21.......(21/3=7).......Seven
The number of letters in the words occupying even positions is 7.......Seven
The number of letters in words ending with vowels is 14........(14/2=7).......Seven
The numerical value of the first letters of words ending with vowels is 259.......(259/37=7).......Seven
The numerical value of the first and last letters of all words ending in vowels is 329.......(329/47=7).......Seven
The number of vowels in all the words ending with vowels is 7.......Seven
The numerical value of all letters in the words whose length is an odd number is 119.......(119/17=7).......Seven
The numerical value of the last letters of the words whose length is an odd number is 14.......(14/2=7).......Seven
The numerical value of the first letters of the words whose length is an even number is 329.......(329/47=7).......Seven
The numerical value of last letters of the words whose length is an even number is 315.......(315/45=7).......Seven
The numerical value of the first letters of nouns is 140.......(140/20=7).......Seven
The numerical value of the last letters of nouns is 105.......(105/15=7).......Seven
The numerical value of the first and the last letters of nouns is 245.......(245/35=7)......Seven
The numerical value of all letters of the verb is 105.......(105/15=7).......Seven
The sum of numerical values of every seventh letter (i.e. of e, i, i, and s) is 245 (245/35=7).......Seven
(where also 35/5=7).......Seven
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:45 pm to tiger25
quote:
and to your question I don't know. im sorry I cant answer your question. I don't know if anyone knows the answer to that question. maybe someone does I don't know.
Yeah, we know the answer. The great flood didn't happen.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:45 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Every single fossil that is found is more evidence that macroevolution occurs. Each fossil is dated by multiple methods multiple times, and of the millions of fossils found so far, none of them have been "out of place" in the history of the world. What I mean is that "modern" species are never found in the same layers of rock as very old species, nor or they ever dated to such time periods through radiometric methods. Every time a fossil of a previously undescribed species is found, its age always places it in a "hole" between two other species that we have placed on our "tree of life". We don't find T-Rex fossils that date to a billion years old as they didn't evolve until later. Similarly, we don't find human fossils that date to the time of the dinosaurs. What we do find are clear "steps" from one type of creature to the next, and each and every time they are found in the layers of rock as would be expected, and they date to the correct time period through radiometric dating. Every single time.
that was only done to test us.
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