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re: Biker Shootout at the Twin Peaks in Waco, TX
Posted on 5/20/15 at 8:51 am to LSUTANGERINE
Posted on 5/20/15 at 8:51 am to LSUTANGERINE
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So the PD are lying here.
I hope not but it seems like it. Just doesn't make sense that the bikers would start a gunfight while surrounded by cops.
Blaming the restaurant just smacks of them trying to cover up their own failure to prevent this getting out of hand.
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Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:04 am to uway
Transparency in the investigation would be cool. Releasing videos and statements from the uninvolved witnesses seems mandatory.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:20 am to Darth_Vader
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If I had to guess this all started probably with one trigger happy cop opening up and when he did the rest of them followed and all hell broke out.
LINK
Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:24 am to Darth_Vader
Darth your opinions are hard to keep up with. First you imply that there is a conspiracy involving the police then when somebody blames the bikers you say we should wait for the evidence to come out. You have no evidence yet you keep implying that the police are most likely at fault. You will say anything to defend the criminal elements of the biking community. You say them meeting isn't a crime, but the public brawl that participated in was and by all accounts that is when the police got involved whether they used to much force is a separate issue. So your whole they had a right to meet/this isn't the Soviet Union argument is nothing but crap. Nobody stopped them from meeting obviously. You say that not all bikers are like the violent gangs and that we are ignorant for lumping you all together. Then when there is a cut and dry case that the violent groups got together and put the public in danger all you can do is defend them and worry if the cops were trigger happy.
This post was edited on 5/20/15 at 9:27 am
Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:32 am to Darth_Vader
quote:Reasonable. I had to go to 2002 to find anything close. Seems they really try to stop open violence which brings media/ LEO heat.
I'm glad you brought that up. It was the very riot you mentioned that led all the clubs to issue orders that in the future no such fights are to take place in "civilian" areas. That's a policy that's been in place for years now. I'm not saying it's impossible a huge brawl broke out in Waco, just that it's highly unusual.
It seems only every decade or so some crazy public violence like this happens with cycle clubs.
Did any cop vehicle get shot at or damaged? Cop flesh wounds?
Sounds like Cops "fearing for their lives" shooting anything movinG or not complying.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:32 am to OGtigerfan73
I still dont know what mudchecking is
Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:36 am to Darth_Vader
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by GtownDawg You on the Road Star Clinic board Darth? Good site if you're not.
I'll check it out.
And so he walked out of our lives forever.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:49 am to Cosmo
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I still dont know what mudchecking is
Gay relationship matching service?
Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:49 am to sugar71
Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:53 am to sugar71
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Sounds like Cops "fearing for their lives" shooting anything movinG or not complying.
A little bit of exaggeration here. If that were the case there would be fewer arrested and more dead.
It will be interesting to get the final forensics though.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:58 am to Paige
You have the bluest eyes I have ever come across. 
Posted on 5/20/15 at 10:15 am to Darth_Vader
quote:In my younger years I rode with an MC. Have been riding my whole life. Started out with a sears mini bike and have had many different bike threw the years. Hondas, Yamahas and my wife got me aHeritage when I was in Iraq the last time. Truly do enjoy the Harley the best but enjoy the knees in the wind when I find time in the busy schedule. I don't like the big ride as much as a few close friends just hitting the road. I do appriciate you clarifiying the biker world for the rest that care to inquirer. I am just to lazy to type and don't have the patients. Keep the sunny side up brother.
I've always wondered if I was the only patch holder here.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 10:35 am to Darth_Vader
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The event was not a crime. We have this thing called the Constitution that guarantees the right of assembly. I've attended COC meetings for years. They happen monthly or quarterly in all 50 states and have for a long time.
I don't think anyone suggests that a meeting is a crime and the cops didn't prohibit the crime. What broke out during the meeting were crimes and thankfully LE was already there and prepared. LE telling the restaurant "Hey, this might not be a good idea. There's a lot of bad blood boiling right now. It might be a good idea if you think about not allowing the meeting on your premises." is not equivalent to LE stopping or prohibiting a meeting because it's a crime.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 10:57 am to reedus23
Look at what the 170 arrested are charged with. Most of the guys sitting in jail did nothing more than attend a meeting. They even arrested guys who showed up AFTER the supposed fight. After they arrested them, they released them only to arrest them again on the same trumped up bullshite charges.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:05 am to Darth_Vader
I think it's unfortunate that the cops arrested any of them at all; a straight-up Katyn repeat would have been far more preferable for these lowlifes.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 12:08 pm to Darth_Vader
Read a story that one of those arrested belonged to Childrens Cancer prevention MC whose only mission is to raise money for kids with Cancer. How does a guy like this get charged on RICO charges for belonging to a charitable organization. The more facts that are coming out on this the worse its starting to look for LE right now.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 12:18 pm to ihometiger
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Read a story that one of those arrested belonged to Childrens Cancer prevention MC whose only mission is to raise money for kids with Cancer. How does a guy like this get charged on RICO charges for belonging to a charitable organization. The more facts that are coming out on this the worse its starting to look for LE right now.
Wow. It's like j said, the most of the clubs at that meeting are law abiding clubs.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 12:21 pm to ihometiger
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Read a story that one of those arrested belonged to Childrens Cancer prevention MC whose only mission is to raise money for kids with Cancer. How does a guy like this get charged on RICO charges for belonging to a charitable organization. The more facts that are coming out on this the worse its starting to look for LE right now.
Yeah the president of that particular club was arrested, but hey he's a biker so he must be trash, right? :eyeroll:
Posted on 5/20/15 at 12:22 pm to ihometiger
Maybe he can use some of the settlement money from his false arrest and illegal imprisonment lawsuit to support his charity.
Did they arrest everyone wearing colors at the event? I can understand initially detaining everyone, and then trying to sort out who's who. But if LE has had a bunch of do-gooder MC members locked up for the last three days on RICO charges, I think Waco is going to be sorry. On the other hand, the bikers are probably relieved that they're locked up and not on the coroner's autopsy table.
Did they arrest everyone wearing colors at the event? I can understand initially detaining everyone, and then trying to sort out who's who. But if LE has had a bunch of do-gooder MC members locked up for the last three days on RICO charges, I think Waco is going to be sorry. On the other hand, the bikers are probably relieved that they're locked up and not on the coroner's autopsy table.
This post was edited on 5/20/15 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 5/20/15 at 12:26 pm to White Roach
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Did they arrest everyone wearing colors at the event?
Some of the reports coming out indicate that anyone wearing a leather vest or having a motorcycle was arrested not just Bandidos/Cossacks/etc.
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