re: Biker Shootout at the Twin Peaks in Waco, TX

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Maybe there were DARPA-supplied bullets that once fired were programmed to hit only asocial, overweight, functionally illiterate gangster hoodlums? That would account for zero LE casualties.
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I'm guessing the bikers wouldn't have had access to the DARPA magic bullets. It was probably the DARPA developed Law Enforcement Shield of Invulnerability that protected the cops from the regular old bullets fired at them by the bikers.

There were 22 cops on the scene. There were at least 200 bikers there. In this wild melee of gunfire, some of which was allegedly directed at LE, doesn't strike you as a little bit odd that not a single cop was hit, yet nine bikers were killed and who knows how many wounded? I think it's a pretty safe assumption that some of the bikers shot each other, but if the cops were really being shot at, they were fortunate to walk away unscathed.



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To contend that the tiny amount of good that outlaw Biker Groups do by donating a few dollars or a few toys somehow outweighs the damage the extortion, drug trafficking and human toll they exact is insulting.
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I'm sorry if you feel insulted, but that's a product of your imagination. Where did I ever contend that OMGs were the "good guys" in this (or any other) situation? All I said was that if it turns out that the vast majority of the gunfire came from police weapons, that POTENTIALLY it could be viewed as an overreaction.

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kcen

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The COC's are done! NOBODY is going to tell me what to do! I'm a BIKER! I play by my own rules!!!!!!

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Not yet they're not. They won't go away overnight. The reason for this is that for those who dominate the COC's, it gives them a medium to easily, and with cover, to control and dominate their state. They're not just going to give that up.

Well, shite.

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Real question not trying to tro. Why would a non criminal related group of bikers need a voice in the COC? If you are just riding for enjoyment then what grievances could you have with other groups. What is a legitimate issue that law abiding citizens could discuss? I just mean in general.

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It's a different culture, but basically they go to learn what's going on in their world and to keep abreast of what to do and not to do, as well as to have a voice in said culture. Just because the big 5 1% clubs have the power doesn't mean they don't want anybody to ride. It also clears up things such as misidentified riders etc. There is more to it but I'm not going to take the time to type it all out.

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Real question not trying to tro. Why would a non criminal related group of bikers need a voice in the COC? If you are just riding for enjoyment then what grievances could you have with other groups. What is a legitimate issue that law abiding citizens could discuss? I just mean in general.

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Here, look at some of the mission statements of COC's in various states...

Arizona

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The ACMC is made up of Arizona Motorcycle Clubs and Organizations which have come together in unity to facilitate and broaden communication amongst its Members, within the riding community and general public. It serves to educate both riders and the non-riding public on all of the positive aspects of motorcycling and to warn against and oppose any intrusion(s) upon their rights to live and ride free. Its goals are to promote and protect motorcyclist's rights. It will accomplish these goals by any lawful means necessary. The ACMC does not approve organizations, or in our language “sanction”, Clubs. The ACMC Members are a select group of Elite Clubs and Organizations who have banded together in a fight for freedom and stand in defense of American rights, especially MC Clubs, and all Motorcyclists.

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Michigan

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The MCOC was formed by motorcycle clubs to bring together a united legal stand to prevent discrimination against bikers. We believe that bikers have rights protected by the U.S. Constitution and the Constitution of the State of Michigan. Each member motorcycle club is dedicated to protecting and preserving the freedoms of their right to ride and stand united in that effort. The MCOC provides a voice and education on how to protect the rights and safety of bikers by utilizing the legislative and legal process.

The MCOC is also an active and proud member and ally of the National Coalition of Motorcyclists (NCOM), the Motorcycle Riders Foundation (MRF) and ABATE of Michigan. Together, our organizations form a triad of motorcycle riding freedom fighters dedicated to eliminating discrimination against bikers. Michigan Confederation of Clubs — United We Ride — MCOC

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Tennessee

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The Tennessee Confederation of Clubs mission is to serve as a conduit on matters pertaining to current laws, pending legislation, personal rights of Motorcycle Club Members, intentions of elected officials and their constituents, to protect and promote awareness of member’s legal rights and situations that affect us, and there by fight against discrimination and harassment.

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That's what COC's are supposed to stand for. Take it for what it's worth.

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Shouldn't the very existence of that meeting be an insult

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Do Muslims get insulted by Christain beliefs?

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Nothing personal, and I know what you are trying to stir up here, but your comparison makes zero sense. Under your hypothetical, they should have arrested every white person in the area. They didn't. They arrested patched MC members.

If a fight breaks out in a plac between Crips and Bloods and the police arrest every dude sporting blue and red no one is going to bitch.

Nice troll attempt but you missed the mark badly. 0/10

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That's a very slippery slope.

I hope I'm not wearing blue jeans at a restaurant somewhere on a day a when a blood and a crip get into a fight.

Imagine sitting in a bar and watching an LSU / Bama game. A fight breaks out between a Bama guy and an LSU guy. Cops show up and arrest every person wearing LSU or Bama stuff. What if some people have pocket knives or are licensed to carry? I guess they'd be in a world of trouble too.

That's not reasonable. Neither is arresting a ton of people and using the "guilt by association" reasoning for doing it.

I'm not a motorcycle person, but there has to be a better method to making arrests. Maybe like questioning witnesses, looking at security footage, etc.

Not arresting everyone.

This should not be an acceptable method of policing.

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That's not what you said at all earlier. You said these are working out problems and issues between clubs to keep down violence. If it is true that these are really for discussing bikers rights then bikers have really tarnished what the intent of these meeting was originally suppose to be. It has went from lets talk about our rights and how to stop discrimination against bikers to let's have a meeting so we can keep down violence against each other and not show our bad side to the public.

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Both are what COC's are supposed to do. Like I've said before, imagine each club is like its own nation. The COC is supposed to be a sort of U.N. For them.

Oh wow you were to stupid to understand my comment. I was saying that shouldn't non criminal biker clubs be insulted that violent clubs have to have meetings to keep violence out of public view. Since the bad clubs give the good clubs a bad name it seems like they would care. I guess that one went right over you head Armyman50.