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re: Bike rider shot on Tammany Trace in Covington after altercation
Posted on 4/9/25 at 12:56 pm to dat yat
Posted on 4/9/25 at 12:56 pm to dat yat
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In the photo of that intersection, It looks like the trail has a STOP sign and the road has a YIELD (to bikes and pedestrians) sign. Does that give vehicles the right of way?
The photo shows a crosswalk, so the vehicular traffic would be required to yield to pedestrians in a crosswalk
But bicycles are treated exactly the same as vehicles with regards to traffic laws. No special privilege for bicycles, so they would have had to obey the stop sign on the bike path because cross traffic doesn't have to yield to a biker.
This post was edited on 4/9/25 at 12:56 pm
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 12:58 pm to Tiger Prawn
quote:The yellow sign below also means you must stop as a vehicle if a pedestrian or bike is in the crosswalk….
The only stop sign at this particular intersection was on the bike path. The street there doesn't have a stop sign, so only the bikers would have had to yield to cross traffic.
So if the bike ran the stop sign and the car didn’t stop both parties are at fault
If the bike stopped and the car didn’t while the bike is in the crosswalk only the car is at fault
It is rough to see a situation wheee only the biker is at fault
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:02 pm to lsupride87
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The yellow sign below also means you must stop as a vehicle if a pedestrian or bike is in the crosswalk…
I'm pretty sure that the yellow sign is just to alert drivers that bikes or pedestrians MAY be crossing there. I don't think that yellow sign means the driver is required to stop, except for pedestrians.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:08 pm to Tiger Prawn
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Yes, in most jurisdictions, cars do have to stop for bikes in a crosswalk, even if there's a dedicated bike crossing sign, if the bike is already in the crosswalk or has begun to cross. This is because both cars and bikes are vehicles, and vehicles must yield to pedestrians (and, by extension, cyclists) in a crosswalk
This post was edited on 4/9/25 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:12 pm to Tiger Prawn
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I'm pretty sure that the yellow sign is just to alert drivers that bikes or pedestrians MAY be crossing there. I don't think that yellow sign means the driver is required to stop, except for pedestrians.
THIS IS CORRECT. In no way is that yellow sign indicate a requirement to yield. I shouldn't have to say this but a Yield Sign is RED and not yellow. A stop sign is also RED. Yellow signs are caution signs (Road Construction, look out for workers, bridge may ice, etc). This shite is exactly why the dummies on the Trace think they have right of way somehow. As for pedestrians, vehicles are required to yield to pedestrians in a crosswalk where so indicated. I don't see that sign for the Trace.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:12 pm to jbgleason
quote:It absolutely does when there is a crosswalk
THIS IS CORRECT. In no way is that yellow sign indicate a requirement to yield.
Once the cyclist or walker is in the crosswalk the vehicle must yield
The crosswalk is also CLEARLY indicated here by the sign and on the ground
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:14 pm to lsupride87
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THIS IS CORRECT. In no way is that yellow sign indicate a requirement to yield.
It absolutely does when there is a crosswalk
Once the cyclist or walker is in the crosswalk the vehicle must yield
The crosswalk is also CLEARLY indicated here
Cite a statute please. You keep just saying it but I don't see any authority for your statements.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:15 pm to lsupride87
Found specifically for Louisiana
quote:
Yes, in Louisiana, vehicles must yield the right-of-way to cyclists in crosswalks, regardless of whether the crosswalk is on a bike lane or not. Cyclists in a crosswalk are treated as pedestrians, and drivers must yield as they would to any pedestrian
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:17 pm to lsupride87
Found where? Is that some AI shite?
HINT: I am waiting for you to cite the Parish and/or state code as an A-Ha at which point I will direct you to the opening of said law which states "in the absence of a traffic light or traffic control device..." I will then point out that there is a fricking STOP SIGN on the Trace in both directions. In the presence of said Traffic Control Device, the person subject to said device (on the Trace). Must give Right of Way to the vehicle crossing their path. They can't just ignore the stop sign, jump into the crosswalk and say "frick you car people! Yield to me!!!" It doesn't work like that.
People, bikes, scooters and turtles on the Trace have a STOP sign. The cars don't.
HINT: I am waiting for you to cite the Parish and/or state code as an A-Ha at which point I will direct you to the opening of said law which states "in the absence of a traffic light or traffic control device..." I will then point out that there is a fricking STOP SIGN on the Trace in both directions. In the presence of said Traffic Control Device, the person subject to said device (on the Trace). Must give Right of Way to the vehicle crossing their path. They can't just ignore the stop sign, jump into the crosswalk and say "frick you car people! Yield to me!!!" It doesn't work like that.
People, bikes, scooters and turtles on the Trace have a STOP sign. The cars don't.
This post was edited on 4/9/25 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:25 pm to lsupride87
quote:
It absolutely does when there is a crosswalk
Nope. Crossings where you need to stop will have a stop sign on the sign.
The law is as follows:
quote:
212. Pedestrians right-of-way in crosswalks
A. When traffic-control signals are not in place or not in operation, the driver of a vehicle shall stop and yield the right-of-way, to a pedestrian crossing the roadway within a crosswalk when the pedestrian is upon the roadway upon which the vehicle is traveling or the roadway onto which the vehicle is turning.
B. No pedestrian shall suddenly leave a curb or other place of safety and walk or run into the path of a vehicle which is so close that it is impossible for the driver to yield.
C. Whenever any vehicle is stopped at a marked crosswalk or at any unmarked crosswalk at an intersection to permit a pedestrian to cross the roadway, the driver of any other vehicle approaching from the rear shall not overtake and pass such stopped vehicle.
D. Subsection A of this Section shall not apply where the pedestrian is crossing a roadway at a point where a pedestrian tunnel or overhead pedestrian crossing has been provided.
Acts 1962, No. 310, §1; Acts 2011, No. 244, §1.
Underlined teh two important parts for this particular crosswalk.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:33 pm to LNCHBOX
Fair enough.
I think bullet A is the most important since the biker had a stop sign. He would have to prove he stopped, and safely got in the crosswalk and the car sped up on him for him to be right for traffic purposes
However, the cyclists got freaking shot so we maybe account about the wrong thing
I think bullet A is the most important since the biker had a stop sign. He would have to prove he stopped, and safely got in the crosswalk and the car sped up on him for him to be right for traffic purposes
However, the cyclists got freaking shot so we maybe account about the wrong thing
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:38 pm to lsupride87
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However, the cyclists got freaking shot so we maybe account about the wrong thing
Facts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:39 pm to LNCHBOX
yall need me to go detective mode and go get pics of the crime scene and get all the tire marks etc?
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:44 pm to LNCHBOX
Now I’m more confused
quote:
In Louisiana, if a car hits a cyclist in a crosswalk, the car driver is likely at fault, even if a stop sign is present on the bike trail. This is because a cyclist in a crosswalk has the right-of-way, and drivers must yield to them. The presence of a stop sign on the bike trail does not negate the cyclist's right-of-way in the crosswalk
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:49 pm to lsupride87
no matter what, i'm pretty sure you can't hit them and shoot them. maybe one or the other.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:55 pm to Chad504boy
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no matter what, i'm pretty sure you can't hit them and shoot them. maybe one or the other.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:17 pm to lsupride87
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In Louisiana, if a car hits a cyclist in a crosswalk, the car driver is likely at fault, even if a stop sign is present on the bike trail.
I read that as being if the cyclist is ALREADY in the crosswalk, then the car has to yield. As in the cyclist walking his bike or riding at a pedestrian speed pace.
But if the cyclist was acting like he was training for Tour de France and riding 25-30 mph while wearing spandex cycling shorts and blowing through the stop sign on the bike path, then it would have been really hard for the car driver to see him quick enough to brake if the car was about to cross the intersection already.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:21 pm to Tiger Prawn
I ultimately think it would be a “it depends” situation, but if video doesn’t exists I just think you are walking away with some percentage fault if you hit someone on a bike in a crosswalk that also has a yellow warning sign. I wouldn’t fell good about my chances of getting off fault
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:30 pm to Crow Pie
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"What are you going to do...shoot me" is rumored to be the bike riders final statement before...well.... he got shot.
So if he answered yes to the question, was it ok for him to go ahead and pop the guy?
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:57 pm to lsupride87
where is east third street?
I only see a third avenue.
There is a third street in abita by the trail.
I only see a third avenue.
There is a third street in abita by the trail.
This post was edited on 4/9/25 at 2:59 pm
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