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re: Baw bags record deer. Gets fined $53K.

Posted on 1/28/18 at 8:05 am to
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12959 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 8:05 am to
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Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it sounds like this guy hunted after some arbitrary hours on someone else's land.

There's nothing arbitrary about it. Shooting hours are what they are because outside of them, you can't see shite and it's not sporting to shoot a deer with a night vision scope or other artificial light.

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Am I off base with being mind fricked that a government entity has any rights to that kind of money for this?

That is a lot of money, but each state has their own fine system. I wish Louisiana would fine people even a 5th of that, and maybe we'd have less poachers.
Posted by sparkinator
Lake Claiborne
Member since Dec 2007
4970 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 8:07 am to
Most are missing it. He didn’t necessarily hunt after dark. He just pled to it as a lessor charge than what they were going to stick him with.

It’s like getting a seatbelt ticket instead of speeding. Even though you were wearing your seatbelt, you would take that ticket over a speeding ticket.
Posted by Browncoatrebel
Member since Nov 2017
1107 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 8:09 am to
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The deers nudes are on reddit.


LOL dude. Wtf did you Google search to find that picture!?...maybe it's better not knowing
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
98753 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 8:16 am to
Yes I get that but the 53k is to "reimburse" the state of Texas for shooting their deer illegally. That's not the fine for hunting at night.


Texas has a price list for every animal in the state and you pay that price on top of the fine. Whitetail are priced by inch so that's why this one is so high.
Posted by Mr Breeze
The Lunatic Fringe
Member since Dec 2010
6666 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 8:21 am to
Could have got one like that on a high fence ranch for $20k.
Posted by sparkinator
Lake Claiborne
Member since Dec 2007
4970 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 8:25 am to
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Yes I get that but the 53k is to "reimburse" the state of Texas for shooting their deer illegally. That's not the fine for hunting at night.


It’s says he pled down, Fin, so the charges they sought must have been more substantial, to him, than $53,000. Regardless of how or what they prosecuted in order to collect that much.

Somebody mentioned losing his hunting license. Some people would do or plead about anything to avoid that.
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
98753 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 8:31 am to
The 53k is a hard number no matter what the charges were. Could have been out of season, at night, out of a truck, without a license and the restitution price is the same. Texas is one of the only states to operate like this.
Posted by sparkinator
Lake Claiborne
Member since Dec 2007
4970 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 8:43 am to
I understand that, but he pled down and took the fine with it. For all we know (hypothetically) they charged him initially with the threat of his loss of license and jail time and he still had to pay the 53k fine. That would make just the fine and hunting after hours charge more acceptable to him.

Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
39000 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 9:08 am to
That sounds like a racket.

Yeah, those fines could really mount up.
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
49619 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 9:33 am to
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It's restitution to the state which is a civil matter and doesn't have to be paid. All they can do is not allow you to buy a license



They can garnish his wages, they can put a lien on property. They will get the money one way or another in due time.
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
98753 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:12 am to
Maybe in the future but I just had a conversation with a guy that owes 6k restitution for the last 5 years and none of that has happened.
Posted by PortHudsonPlaya
Houston
Member since Jul 2017
3170 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:15 am to
He'll get off with a slap on the wrist. People cheat in big bass tournaments all the time and they get chastised with threats. A month later nobody really cares including the law.
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
30626 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:26 am to
From watching Texas Game Warden show, they nickle and dime the frick out of hunters, fishermen,etc.




Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
50885 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:36 am to
The trespass in Texas by a hunter is usually a Class C misdemeanor and max fine is usually $500 or less. I don't see how this would possibly fall into felony trespass, where someone's property or life was threatened.
Posted by crankbait
Member since Feb 2008
11639 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:40 am to
it's so cringey when dweebs lay down, get all vertically positioned, and pose behind deer like that
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12959 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:55 am to
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The 53k is a hard number no matter what the charges were. Could have been out of season, at night, out of a truck, without a license and the restitution price is the same. Texas is one of the only states to operate like this.

Louisiana is the same way. The fines just aren't as steep.

I think you can even find in the statutes what the minimum fine is for each species. I think deer and turkeys are a minimum $1600 civil restitution. Should be (AT LEAST) twice that, and mandatory, and maybe people would think twice before poaching.

Louisiana fines just aren't steep enough, and every civil restitution is preceded by "Joe Smith COULD face", not "will be made to pay".
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11767 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 11:12 am to
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Louisiana fines just aren't steep enough


Truth. We also need a multiplier during high Mississippi river times. They need to be 10 times higher for people taking advantage during that time.
Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
16248 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 12:11 pm to
1. If you read this article it becomes a good bit clearer that the guy shot the dear at least as late as 8 PM, probably even later than that. Then he field dressed it but failed to cool or otherwise preserve the carcass, which was another violation for not preserving the meat in an edible state.
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Johnson claimed to have wounded the buck on Sept. 30, but was unable to retrieve it. When he saw the deer on images captured by his game trail camera a few days later, it exhibited entry and exit wounds. Since then, Johnson explained he began pursuing the animal in earnest in hopes of putting an end to its suffering, going so far as to spend the night in his hunting stand to avoid spooking deer. He said he got his opportunity at about 7:30 p.m. on Saturday, Oct. 7, 2017 and dispatched the buck with his bow.

After inspecting the deer carcass, game wardens then went to the area where Johnson claimed to have killed the big deer to confirm the details of his story. During a conversation with the landowner adjacent to the property where Johnson hunted, game wardens became suspicious about the timeline. The landowner recalled texting Johnson at about an hour past dark on Oct. 7 asking if he was okay since he noticed he had not returned to his vehicle. Johnson replied that he was safe, but made no mention of having successfully taken the big buck an hour earlier.

2. As a landowner, the trespassing really is a major issue with me. Trailing a wounded animal isn't an issue, but we've had so many problems with people trespassing to hunt. Besides the fact that they are trying to steal your game and aren't harvesting according to the management plan you're trying to develop, it's dangerous as hell. My kid and his cousins ride their four wheelers on our property; we've got livestock on other parts. Trespassers create too much danger for everyone. No sympathy for him on that.
Posted by bayourougebengal
Member since Mar 2008
7235 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 12:34 pm to
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That sounds like a racket.

Yeah, those fines could really mount up.


Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11767 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 12:54 pm to
Where was the trespassing part mentioned? I cannot figure out what he did there.
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