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re: Baton Rougeans...how much better would life be in St George?
Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:01 am to doubleb
Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:01 am to doubleb
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Taypayers in SG pay a 2% sales tax to the parish's general fund, and we have no control over how this money is spent.
No control? That guy who says he's my councilman must be getting annoyed at all my emails by now, since he doesn't actually do anything. Probably should stop voting in our local elections too, since we have no voice out here.
I also dont really have a problem with having some of our sales tax dollars go to other parts of the parish, including BR. That is, as long as it isn't just being pissed away (I'm certainly not saying it doesn't happen either). A better BR is a better EBR parish. As long as we down here in the SE part of the parish get the road repairs, new roads, and the services we need too.
As far as the schools go, I'm fine with the notion that's coming in the future but I do need to know how the new ISD plans to address EBR schools legacy costs. I doubt we'd get it through a vote without some concessions there. The push for this new city is based on the idea of better schools and general anger at SWB (who's worthy of it). There's really not much of a vision of how it'll be better, other than SWB such/NBR won't get our tax dollars now!
doubleb, I'd like to see the SG talk about how zoning will work differently and better. I'd like to see them talk about using that surplus in the theoretical budget to cut back on business liscenure and fees. That's where the new city government can matter, and foster an improved environment for small business.
The current messaging of the "status quo is bad, gotta do something new" doesn't justify a new layer of government out here.
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:06 am to magildachunks
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SG gets CATS services, but doesn't pay for it. Bunch of leeches.
Buddy.... Do... Uh.... You look at the cats busses? Do you see who rides the cats busses?
Now, do you think the trash that rides the cats bus system lives in st George?
Cats is TRASH and should be tossed in the can. What a massive massive MASSIVE waste of fricking money.
I'd be willing to bet dollars to donuts that property values plummet wherever a new cats bus stop gets placed. They absolutely destroy anything around them. Take a gander at the trash and shite at the cats bus stops. It's absolutely disgusting.
This post was edited on 3/29/18 at 10:10 am
Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:13 am to T
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The people who keep saying that an ISD in St. George is not guaranteed need to remember that the baton rouge school system continuing to be a dissaster is guaranteed.
I don't agree with this statement. While there are some serious issues, there are also some great positives. There are some excellent schools available. Examples, Westdale, FLAIM, Mayfair Lab, Lee High, and Baton Rouge High to name a few. I also think they currently have the best Superintendent they have ever had in Warren Drake.
The man has a proven track record and has clearly acknowledged the lack of schools in South Baton Rouge. In the tax renewal plan, there are 3 new schools to be built in the area, along with a brand new facility at Mayfair Lab which is also in South Baton Rouge.
I understand the angst and frustration but did you go to the 10 community meetings that EBR schools offered to come and give your input?
Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:18 am to beerJeep
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'd be willing to bet dollars to donuts that property values plummet wherever a new cats bus stop gets placed. They absolutely destroy anything around them. Take a gander at the trash and shite at the cats bus stops. It's absolutely disgusting.
This is 100% true. It looks like a raccoon went through a garbage can around most of those stops. Absolute shite. I don’t understand how some people can be so destructive to their own community and resources.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:19 am to supadave3
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:19 am to The Levee
Are you building a wall to insulate St. George from the effects of BR?
This post was edited on 3/29/18 at 10:21 am
Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:21 am to TheCaterpillar
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so nothing will change at all except maybe, way down the road, you'll have an ISD?
Not true, I expect city service to improve, and that with the surplus the city realizes to see other improvements once people see that things are improving. Either that or a tax decrease.
The truth is SG is supplementing the city of BR. That's why Baton Rougeans are fighting so hard to keep the status quo. They need our 50 plus million a year to pay their bill.
The Central timeline;
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Long an unincorporated suburb of Baton Rouge, the citizens of Central voted to incorporate as a city on April 23, 2005, despite opposition from the parish.
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In November 2006, the voters of the state passed a constitutional amendment authorizing the creation of the Central Community School District.
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On January 9, 2007, Governor Kathleen Blanco appointed the interim members of the new Central Community School Board. The board appointed Mike Faulk as the first superintendent. The new school system began operation on July 1, 2007.
It's not a decade long process.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:25 am to doubleb
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As for schools, that's s different subject. The goal is after becoming a city then the desire is to become an ISD. Schools would have to be addressed immediately if an ISD us created at a later date.
I stand by what I’ve said from the beginning if this is all to get an ISD because of the State Legislature won’t let you “without incorporation”. Fight them. It would be cheaper, quicker, and much easier in the long run.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:26 am to doubleb
Here's my serious question...
If baton rouge doesn't want the unincorporated area to incorporate into a new city, why doesn't the city just incorporate all of the proposed st George area into the city limits?
Those who are against st George are literally saying.. Nope. We don't want you in our city limits. But over our dead body will we allow you to make your own city.
We don't want you. But you can't be your own thing either. Nananabooboo were taking our ball home. frick you st George.
We're "better together" yet we were never "together" to begin with.
So... I ask all the anti-stgeorge people. Why won't the city simply annex all of st George into the actual city limits?
Could it be because if they allowed st George Into the city, thus allowing them to vote on city elections, it would swing the power in a different direction?
Hmmmmmmmmmm
If baton rouge doesn't want the unincorporated area to incorporate into a new city, why doesn't the city just incorporate all of the proposed st George area into the city limits?
Those who are against st George are literally saying.. Nope. We don't want you in our city limits. But over our dead body will we allow you to make your own city.
We don't want you. But you can't be your own thing either. Nananabooboo were taking our ball home. frick you st George.
We're "better together" yet we were never "together" to begin with.
So... I ask all the anti-stgeorge people. Why won't the city simply annex all of st George into the actual city limits?
Could it be because if they allowed st George Into the city, thus allowing them to vote on city elections, it would swing the power in a different direction?
Hmmmmmmmmmm
Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:26 am to Duke
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No control?
Here's how it works.
The Mayor presents a budget to the Council and the Council approves the budget. The Council can't make the budget they can only approve it, or they can change line items in the Mayor's budget with a super majority of 8 members.
So yes, the council men and women representing SG have no control over our 2% sales tax.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:28 am to beerJeep
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Could it be because if they allowed st George Into the city, thus allowing them to vote on city elections, it would swing the power in a different direction?
There aren’t any true city elections.
Outside of city court judge and the BS CATS tax, which has a taxing district separate from the city limits anyways.
This post was edited on 3/29/18 at 10:30 am
Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:30 am to Golfer
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There aren’t any really city elections.
yeah. OK bud. 
Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:31 am to beerJeep
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So... I ask all the anti-stgeorge people. Why won't the city simply annex all of st George into the actual city limits?
Louisiana has different annexation laws than say Texas. There would need to be a petition in SG to be annexed into BR and it would come to a vote. Good luck on that passing in SG
Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:31 am to beerJeep
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yeah. OK bud.
Which elections are for the city limits only?
Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:34 am to fallguy_1978
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Louisiana has different annexation laws than say Texas. There would need to be a petition in SG to be annexed into BR and it would come to a vote. Good luck on that passing in SG
Oh I'm well aware. I'm just pointing out the massive hypocrisy from our baron rouge friends on the topic. They don't want st George in city limits. And they don't want st George to have their own city.
They are, quite literally, taking their ball and going home. All the while projecting their own actions onto the st George group.
It really is quite hilarious to watch the mental gymnastics and hypocritical line of thinking the anti-stgeorge folk have.
For fricks sake, I got called a nazi pile of shite yesterday by one of them because I said I believe people should be able to vote on things. Apparently democracy is a nazi ideology now.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:36 am to Golfer
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Which elections are for the city limits only?
Are....
Are you saying that there are no local elections on a city level that only residents of said city can vote on?
Surely this isn't what you're implying. I do hope I am reading your assertion incorrectly.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:40 am to doubleb
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The Mayor presents a budget to the Council and the Council approves the budget. The Council can't make the budget they can only approve it, or they can change line items in the Mayor's budget with a super majority of 8 members.
So some control, along with the ability to get out and vote for Mayor-President. We didn't do a great job at that during the last election, not that Bodie White was near ideal.
I can agree with you more control could be useful out here. Now, I'd like to see how the leaders of this movement plan to make it better. I don't expect a line item list, but I'd like to see something other than faith it'll be put to better use.
In general, I'm concerned by how much of the movement support seems to view SG as some pancea that will just make everything better. It's going to take work, attention, and involvement from the area. Else, we won't have a significantly better government to justify not having our money going to in part improve BR as well.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:41 am to doubleb
Looks like it may be time again to post the numbers how much EBR parish spends per student, Zachary and how much Cy-Fair and Katy ISD spend and have fantastic schools
Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:44 am to Duke
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I also dont really have a problem with having some of our sales tax dollars go to other parts of the parish, including BR. That is, as long as it isn't just being pissed away (I'm certainly not saying it doesn't happen either). A better BR is a better EBR parish. As long as we down here in the SE part of the parish get the road repairs, new roads, and the services we need too
I don't either, but when I pick up the paper and read about all the money wasted Downtown and how money is doled out by the Mayor to her friends, rappers, community organizers, consultants, studies, and I see our area of the parish neglected, unkept, trashy, etc. I realize that we are suckers.
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As far as the schools go, I'm fine with the notion that's coming in the future but I do need to know how the new ISD plans to address EBR schools legacy costs. I doubt we'd get it through a vote without some concessions there. The push for this new city is based on the idea of better schools and general anger at SWB (who's worthy of it). There's really not much of a vision of how it'll be better, other than SWB such/NBR won't get our tax dollars now!
All great questions, that must be addressed before an ISD is pushed through. We are on the same wavelength here. Change needs to be better and not just a change.
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doubleb, I'd like to see the SG talk about how zoning will work differently and better. I'd like to see them talk about using that surplus in the theoretical budget to cut back on business liscenure and fees. That's where the new city government can matter, and foster an improved environment for small business.
Again, important question, and these are more timely in that a new city would need to address the situation. I haven't heard much about zoning and that would be a great question to ask.
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The current messaging of the "status quo is bad, gotta do something new" doesn't justify a new layer of government out here.
It wouldn't be a new layer of govt. It would be a new govt. providing services instead of the old one. One govt. would replace the other for just those services.
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