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Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:06 am to TeddyPadillac
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since it shows absolutely nothing of importance to what actually happened
well it shows the guy got shot, the cop being visibly shaken (understandable), the cop yelling "I told him not to reach! I told him to take his hands out!" and it shows the guy dying
I'd say all of that is quite important
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:07 am to Salmon
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Maybe it is white privilege
No...it's because as a non criminal you have no reason to assume the LEO is going to assume any move you make may endanger his life.
And that's kind of the point, isn't it? Are we, as citizens, now in a position to where any time we're confronted with a LEO we are the ones that need to conform in such a way so as not to make a person with a loaded weapon who you don't know, don't know what kind of training they've had, don't know what kind of day they've had, etc so fearful they shoot first and ask questions later?
I'm sorry, but frick that. I should not have to be trained in dealing with a LEO in order to potentially not be killed by a skittish one.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:07 am to Commandeaux
Is he pulling the gun on the police officer or the other guy? Looks to me like the guy in the white shirt.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:08 am to Chad504boy
Yeah, that one looks really bad if girlfriend is correct. If so, cop should just try and plea for something.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:09 am to tigerskin
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Is he pulling the gun on the police officer or the other guy? Looks to me like the guy in the white shirt.
how would the cop know?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:09 am to The Egg
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I mean, if you leave it in the narrative, what does it change? it wouldn't change anything about him being a straight A student with no record, would it?
but why would you take it out of the narrative, if it is indeed a fact?
I'm not a law expert, but is it not a lot worse to be caught with drugs when you have a weapon on you, regardless if that weapon is registered and licensed to you?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:09 am to Commandeaux
LOL at those pics
ZERO description what what was happening, and at that rally, a lot of people on both sides were carrying and no one was shot.
ZERO description what what was happening, and at that rally, a lot of people on both sides were carrying and no one was shot.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:10 am to Salmon
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well it shows the guy got shot, the cop being visibly shaken (understandable), the cop yelling "I told him not to reach! I told him to take his hands out!" and it shows the guy dying
I'd say all of that is quite important
if this is so important, then why would anyone be defending the dead guy?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:10 am to TeddyPadillac
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but is it not a lot worse to be caught with drugs when you have a weapon on you, regardless if that weapon is registered and licensed to you?
not if you're an Alabama football player
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:10 am to GeauxTigerTM
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I'm sorry, but frick that. I should not have to be trained in dealing with a LEO in order to potentially not be killed by a skittish one.
Bingo. I actually thought at one time cops were trained to deal with tense situations. Silly me.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:11 am to GeauxTigerTM
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I'm sorry, but frick that. I should not have to be trained in dealing with a LEO in order to potentially not be killed by a skittish one.
Unfortunately in our society, unless you have a shield and service weapon that's not a choice you get to make. The consequences of not obeying every order to a T can and will get you killed. Hell it will sometimes get you killed even if you do comply with all orders.
I agree with you btw.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:11 am to piggilicious
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i pretty much agree with most of your point there. the only thing i'll come back with is that people, black white pink purple whatever, are overtly more disrespectful now than they used to be years ago and seem to take pride in it.
Again, I think this goes both way, right? I was raised to be respectful, but it has to be earned. The minute someone does not treat you with the same respect (and I don't mean the street vernacular) you're granting them, all bets are off. Essentially, respect should never be a one way street...and I think in many of these police videos that's what you're seeing. A LEO expecting respect while not treating the citizen with any.
It's a tough situation for sure, and I'm not pretending to have an answer...but what we're currently doing is not working and seems to be making the situation worse daily.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:11 am to TeddyPadillac
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if this is so important, then why would anyone be defending the dead guy?
because obviously the GF disputes whether or not the cop told him to get his license
but ultimately it will come down to "he said, she said" thing
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:12 am to stlslick
quote:but isn't the point that the guy in white 'reached' for his handgun yet still nothing happened to him?
ZERO description what what was happening, and at that rally, a lot of people on both sides were carrying and no one was shot.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:12 am to Salmon
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not if you're an Alabama football player
touche!
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:12 am to Salmon
poor 4 yr old in the back. such a shame. lucky she didn't get shot back there.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:13 am to Salmon
If the cop was called to calm a disturbance between those 2, that would be obvious. The cop would know his life isn't the one in true danger.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:14 am to GeauxTigerTM
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I'm sorry, but frick that. I should not have to be trained in dealing with a LEO in order to potentially not be killed by a skittish one.
It's not a lot of training. Do as you're told. There you go.
Fight any injustice that may have happened to you in court, where you should.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:15 am to tigerskin
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that would be obvious.
nothing is obvious according to some here
if its not obvious that a guy telling you he has a gun is not a threat, its not obvious that the guy in the picture is drawing on a specific person
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