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re: Baton Rouge, Louisiana is now off of the hook
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:49 am to NYNolaguy1
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:49 am to NYNolaguy1
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Maybe he panicked and lot control . Watch the gas station video of the guy getting shot when reaching for his wallet (after being directed to). It wouldn't be the first time someone got shot complying with police orders.
if Im pulled over or dealing with LE then I think i will take my chances complying with them. lot less people getting shot that way. how many other like your example. i bet its very few.
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:49 am to ULSU
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I can guarantee you, this is not always how it would go up north in NYC or Massachusetts. Cops do not regularly interact with legal carriers up there, and get real edgy pretty quick. There is a cultural fear of guns in many places up there, and this plays out in the policing.
I can say this is true. There are many many fewer CCL holders here than in the south, esp SELA. Most firearms holders are long gun holders either for trap or hunting, not pistol holders. It's quite a process up here to get a pistol license just to own, not even carry.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:49 am to Salmon
Because they aren't EMTs, maybe basic first aid, but that's a joke and wouldn't have helped with a dude shot four times.
They need something like a combat lifesaving course. I'm sure some of them know it, a bunch are prior military and they probably learned it there.
My wife is a LEO, basic red Cross first aid is all she knows.
They need something like a combat lifesaving course. I'm sure some of them know it, a bunch are prior military and they probably learned it there.
My wife is a LEO, basic red Cross first aid is all she knows.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:49 am to slackster
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The issue is all of the situations where it can be a "grey area" and the cop gets the benefit of the doubt.
It seems to me that he cop rarely gets the benefit of the doubt. Did officer Wilson get the benefit of the doubt in Ferguson?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:50 am to Salmon
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I was getting out, I hear my daughter start crying because she is confused so I open the backdoor to check on her before going to the back of the car if the cop shot me there, would y'all say it was justified?
Unfortunately, many here would.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:50 am to kengel2
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My wife is a LEO, basic red Cross first aid is all she knows.
that is honestly scary
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:50 am to LNCHBOX
How are you goiing to say rhat I am not interested when I am askih for anexplanation so that I can understand.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:50 am to Salmon
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seems if a guy announces that a weapon is in the vehicle he is being respectful, no?
if then maybe, but then maybe he reached for it after being told not to or maybe one of a variety of other things happened that we didn't see on the video. the video shows us nothing of what actually transpired before the guy was shot.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:51 am to LNCHBOX
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It's amazing how easy it is for some of yall to Monday morning QB these situations.
When a life is taken at the hands of the police, justified or not, the entire situation should be meticulously examined. I think that is perfectly reasonable from both sides.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:51 am to Nado Jenkins83
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if Im pulled over or dealing with LE then I think i will take my chances complying with them.
I am too.
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how many other like your example. i bet its very few.
On published video? Very few.
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 9:55 am
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:51 am to stlslick
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as are asian cops, hispanic cops, and black cops themselves.
So who's going to patrol the neighborhoods??
The white, Asian, Hispanic and Black cops who don't kill innocent people because they "thought" the victim was going to shoot them over a busted taillight.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:52 am to QJenk
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How are you goiing to say rhat I am not interested when I am askih for anexplanation so that I can understand.
Because you've clearly not comprehended anything I've written to this point, so why would you know. Go back and read my posts, some of which you quoted and still got wrong. My stance is easily understood by my previous posts.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:52 am to Salmon
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wish we could see how the guy was acting
if he was acting aggressive my position would change
He was probably frustrated. I can recall only two other instances where someone I know was pulled over for broken tail light- coincidentally both of which the drivers are black.
If I got pulled over for a broken tail light, I would probably show some frustration. But now that I see the penalty could very well be death because I am also CCR, I will definitely check my tail lights daily.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:52 am to Nado Jenkins83
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if Im pulled over or dealing with LE then I think i will take my chances complying with them. lot less people getting shot that way. how many other like your example. i bet its very few.
You make it sound like there are a bunch of people advocating for non-compliance.
There is a real issue with police abuse of authority in this country. At times, it is bordering on murder. Is it overplayed? Maybe. Is it only part of the story? Yes. But it's still a genuine problem that all of society should be concerned about.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:52 am to Salmon
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that is honestly scary
Why? It's not their job to be an EMT.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:53 am to Floating Change Up
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I can recall only two other instances where someone I know was pulled over for broken tail light- coincidentally both of which the drivers are black.
Well, I'm white, and it's happened to me. Didn't get shot btw.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:54 am to LNCHBOX
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Why? It's not their job to be an EMT.
because they are often the first responder on accidents and have a dangerous job
they should have more than basic first aid training
like I said, firemen receive almost full EMT training
just seems like common sense that they would
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:55 am to TeddyPadillac
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so we aren't going to mention this little nugget?
Has no bearing on tha shooting.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:55 am to ULSU
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She says he told the cop he had a CCR, which is what you are supposed to do. She says the cop then said to get ID, and when he reached, he got shot 4 times with his wseatbelt still on and a 4 year old in the back.
It appears the cop was informed he was showing his ID, and shot anyway
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:56 am to piggilicious
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I really don't blame cops for being more on edge these days considering many folks they deal with have no respect for them nor will they follow a simple order.
Not to chicken or egg this point, but don't you think part of the reason LEO are beginning to encounter more and more hostility or at least less than total compliance is because the general public has been made aware thanks to tons of videos where police have acted poorly?
It's a VERY recent occurrence where the public has been in a position to be able to see video evidence of police stops, encounters, etc. and while the vast majority of them are legal and as cordial as you'd hope, FAR too many seem contentious and in many cases dangerous for the citizen whether they've done anything or not.
I'm not suggesting their job has not gotten tougher...but I'm not suddenly going to pretend that citizens have all of a sudden without merit become assholes towards LEO's out of the blue. Police doubling down on this seems unlikely to make the situation better.
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