re: Baseball hitting lessons

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Every orthopedic surgeon in the country disagrees with this.

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has every orthopedic studied the causes for the arm injuries?

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Driveline at 9 is a great way to introduce yourself to a surgeon.

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tell me you know nothing about driveline without telling me.

do you even know what drivelines philosophy is at 9? prolly the best philosophy in the country on how they rotate their kids, their kids must play other sports, their kids must play little league etc

but since you dont know what you are talking about let me educate you

1) most ucl injuries occur because of 2 reasons

#1 lack of stability/leg strength in the lunge position and lack of strength in the lats to allow for deceleration.

#2 throwing with an inverted W and aggressive trail leg action.

the studies show a 800% decrease in ucl injuries once certain strength metrics are met in the reverse lunge(specifially back loaded reverse lunge using SSB bar) and full range chest to bar chinups.

now there is nothing wrong with taking time off of throw. i make my kid do it and will make my youngest.

and unless you are getting trained by driveline, you arent "doing driveline". throwing some weighted balls around is not doign driveline.

biggest thing kids need to do though is lift weights. quite a few studies that show muscle mass on pre-pubescent kids is way down compared to kids from the 80-90s(on average). much of that is due to lifestyle changes. kids dont have the strength nor muscle to handle the high level playing. only real way to offset that is starting strength training early.

i look at is...would you give a teenager a muscle car and upgrade the engine every year but never the breaks? most parents would say frick no...well its the same with getting your kid pitching lessons but not putting them in strength training.

you are giving them a bigger enginer, but not improving the breaks or the stearing (deceleration muscles and stability).....its a recipe for disaster.

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Not saying it doesn't matter now, however, puberty and desire to work will change a lot of players. Mine went form 5'4" 125 as a freshman to 6'1" 185 with a 6"3" wingspan as a senior with the second highest squat/ deadlift.

Wingspan mattered as he threw sidearm and the lower he could get and extend made it harder for batters to pick up. But from 9U to 13U he was an above average AAA player.

I saw several kids who absolutely threw gas at the youth level never really develop into a pitcher. Same for kids who wrecked 200-300' fences with a Demarini Zen -5 hit 1 HR their entire 4 years of HS and couldn't hit oppo or bunt because their shitty travel coach wanted to dick measure trophy counts instead of teaching baseball.

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no i agree...biggest thing is desire to work. to be high level it requires the love of the game enough to be dedicated to the field, weights, sleep, and in the kitchen.

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None of that matters until the hit puberty

That will separate the men from the boys

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a lot of truth here.

Heck we have 14u kids still wanting to pick up drop 8s or 5s to take batting practice to get those high EV numbers.....beating the chest about 82. Put wood or BBCOR in their hands and they cant take 10 good swings.

I love the fact that my son has been forced to swing wood or BBCOR early.

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You are quoting the exceptions to prove the rule. Most 9u kids are in the 40s. It is just data. You are talking about the best kids on better squads around the country. Again, look at some of the national 9s from PG...you dont see many in the high 50s and very few in the 60s..and the two I looked at were 10 years old for the majority of the season.

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no i was telling you what we saw last year.

and i understand most are in the 40s. but we didnt see a kid in spring that through below 44-45. in the big tourneys you see 50+ almost exclusively.

go click on the profiles on PG for Primetime, traction canes, swamp donkeys(had a kid hit 72), La storm, Team Louisiana Sw, Pelicans, big squeezy astros etc

and then tell me they dont have a ton of kids hitting 55+

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go click on the profiles on PG for Primetime, traction canes, swamp donkeys(had a kid hit 72), La storm, Team Louisiana Sw, Pelicans, big squeezy astros etc

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So the best kids on the best teams have kids on the right side of the curve....yeah, that is what I have been saying. That is not the average 9 yo.

I have seen most of the big organizations, Prime, ZT Nationals, Canes National group. These kids are not the same as the AAA kids bouncing around the South. I would never assume because they are doing it, that others can or it is the norm. Not many are running 7 second 60s with OF velo at 86 at 14.

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So the best kids on the best teams have kids on the right side of the curve....yeah, that is what I have been saying. That is not the average 9 yo. I have seen most of the big organizations, Prime, ZT Nationals, Canes National group. These kids are not the same as the AAA kids bouncing around the South. I would never assume because they are doing it, that others can or it is the norm. Not many are running 7 second 60s with OF velo at 86 at 14.

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I never said it was the norm and all of those teams I named are in Louisiana only. I was simply saying it’s way more common than you think and if you are in high level aaa or majors it is the norm.



and ftr expanded on my earlier comment

1) most kids would be much better off playing no fall ball and no more than 10 tournies in the spring/summer and getting in a real S&C program. essentially replace 50% of games with S&C.

2) most kids and teams would be much better off if in the fall all they focused on was strength, fundamentals and speed work with no game like situations. simple fundamentals + speed work(not conditioning, speed work) 2x per week and getting kids with true strength coach 2x per week.

3) most teams would improve dramatically over a 3-4 year period if they implemented drivelines skills that scale program focusing on implementing proper warm up, proper arm care etc and stop worrying about laying down a bunt.

How far are you from Gonzales?

You should call Matt Mascona. He is the biggest fanboy of MLB legends.

Dude Bryce is a freak. No one in this pussy generation will even come close to matching up to him or Rizzo or Trout or Judge.

The only ones that will, will be from Central or South America.

Baseball is no longer an American Sport.

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Baseball is no longer an American Sport.

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You're not wrong