- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Score Board
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- SEC Score Board
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: B-17 collides/crashes with another plane at Dallas air show.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 7:23 pm to BuckyCheese
Posted on 11/14/22 at 7:23 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:
flying them into the ground
I don't think that was the case here.
With the amount in museums I assert that they will keep flying the ones that are airworthy until such time as they stop doing it. With the last few they'll most likely not participate in such events and only fly them like they do the oldest flying airplanes.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 7:36 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:
didn't say never fly them. I said fly them LESS often.
They are either air worthy or they aren't
Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:01 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:
I didn't say never fly them. I said fly them LESS often.
An argument could be made that by flying them less often the pilots’ proficiency could regress.
Qualified =/= proficient
Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:11 pm to RedFoxx
Not only that but planes that sit too long tend to have big shite break too. Gotta keep the juices flowing.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:14 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:
I didn't say never fly them. I said fly them LESS often.
Planes break when they sit on the ground a lot more often than they break in the air.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:16 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Without fail, in threads like these jackasses show up every time pretending like they know more than 777
Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:34 pm to METAL
quote:
Not only that but planes that sit too long tend to have big shite break too.
We are kind of getting off topic here but, that's why manufacturers include short and long term preservation and return to service procedures in their maintenance publications to minimize the adverse effects of storage.
This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 2:16 am
Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:44 pm to Traveler
Yeah they do have short term and long term storage but how do you pickle a relay? Sitting is the worst thing for an aircraft, especially one's with lots of mechanical relays and switches.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:53 pm to choppadocta
Those old Cutler Hammer mechanical relays were impossible to preserve internally. You just have to do what you can to keep that area moisture free as much as possible.
Back to the OP.
Back to the OP.
This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 2:15 am
Posted on 11/14/22 at 9:05 pm to Traveler
A review and synopsis by "blancolirio" on YT.
He does these after most aircraft incidents...
He knew the P-63 and one of the B-17 pilots....
blancolirio
He does these after most aircraft incidents...
He knew the P-63 and one of the B-17 pilots....
blancolirio
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 11/14/22 at 9:07 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:
I said fly them LESS often.
A couple dozen times a year at air shows is too much? It’s not like they’re making trips across the continental US daily.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 9:18 pm to brass2mouth
The age of the aircraft doesn’t matter it’s all about how it’s maintained. The few B-17’s still airworthy usually have a small dedicated army of people who keep it in running condition. They get a lot more attention to fly just for air shows and the like than your normal 777 would that is in the air flying all over the world regularly. Sometimes bad things just happen not just in aviation but life in general.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 12:46 am to Wolfhound45
Amazing the people that you meet in life.

This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 1:05 am
Posted on 11/15/22 at 1:12 am to Wolfhound45
I am searching for my photo of the Navigator seat which was obliterated in that photo... The Pilots look like they missed the prop, but had a fleeting image of the ground...
I am searching for my former post and have to review this thread tomorrow...
What is the most probable cause... I suspect the cobra mis-performed on the turn...
Home Again.. (Time) Pink FLoyd..
I am searching for my former post and have to review this thread tomorrow...
What is the most probable cause... I suspect the cobra mis-performed on the turn...
Home Again.. (Time) Pink FLoyd..
This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 1:43 am
Posted on 11/15/22 at 1:32 am to WWII Collector
One of the crew was sitting right here... As many a Navigator before him.


This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 1:39 am
Posted on 11/15/22 at 2:07 am to RedFoxx
quote:
The p-63 pilot lost situational awareness.
Or it went into a skid and mis-performed... But I admit the video shows that he cut in real close at such an angle to the turn of the rest of airplanes... Hot Doggin' they called it...
Posted on 11/15/22 at 5:47 am to WWII Collector
quote:
Or it went into a skid and mis-performed... But I admit the video shows that he cut in real close at such an angle to the turn of the rest of airplanes... Hot Doggin' they called it..
I think there were several causal factors from first glance.
1. Plans include flying at the same altitude.
2. Plans have the bombers too low (more of a NFWOD)
3. Appropriate assessment of weather may not have been reviewed.
4. P-63 pilot likely became fixated on formation lead.
5. P-63 pilot did not keep adequate view of bomber.
6. Air controller (boss) did not identify/communicate crash risk.
NFWODS
1. P- aircraft's field of vision is limited directly ahead and below.
2. At 500 feet there is little adjustment room for any aircraft.
This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 5:49 am
Posted on 11/15/22 at 6:27 am to BuckyCheese
quote:
High dollar classic cars are not used as daily drivers however. And rare WWII planes shouldn't be used as amusement park rides.
I think here is where you have a major catch-22. As you yourself have stated, upkeep and maintenance on these birds isn't cheap. Even if you are going to use them as static ground exhibits, you still have to fly them to and from the airshows to be ground exhibits.
That flight time means you have upkeep and maintenance costs, without any real means of offsetting them. So the "amusement park rides," piece is somewhat necessary to cover the cost of keeping the old birds in the air.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 6:52 am to METAL
(no message)
This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 6:53 am
Popular
Back to top



0










