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Posted on 4/23/26 at 8:19 am to wm72
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If you are in a suburban / urban area full of good jobs, the competition for houses like the small 2-3 BR ranch style built in the late 50s through early 70s is staggering.
Like Southdowns in BR?
Posted on 4/23/26 at 8:20 am to Night Vision
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If you have to sell later and someone really wants the house they can upgrade the kitchen.
I don't disagree but that's not the reality of today's buyers
No one wants to pay fair market value for a house and have to worry about upgrades. They want social media-ready so they can show it off to friends and family.
I think sweat equity is great for people starting out, and have repeated that on here consistently, only to be bashed because "not everyone can do it or wants to do it"
Posted on 4/23/26 at 8:21 am to UtahCajun
I do have empathy for young homebuyers today when the choices are
1) small older home in the hood
2) new shitty DSLD home in a soulless development you will never be able to escape financially
3) overbuilt McMansion you can’t afford
4) townhome or condo
I have been fortunate to be able to buy small homes on the periphery of urban centers that I was able to make money on with the caveat that I have commuted, sometimes and hour or more each way, every working day of my life. We’ve been outside Hammond for 20 years in a 50 year old 2000sf home, that will be my last. It’s the largest home I’ve ever owned.
if I had a large family though, it would have been a challenge. However I do think that quality of life matters and whatever sacrifices we would have had to make would have been worth it. BTW interest rates today are far lower than they were for 90% of my mortgage paying life, but prices are higher
I paid 240K for this house in 2006. I’ve spent at least another 100K in improvements. I doubt it would sell for more than the low 300’s even today, which to me is pretty damn good in comparison to the other crap around. Just got to be willing to commute
1) small older home in the hood
2) new shitty DSLD home in a soulless development you will never be able to escape financially
3) overbuilt McMansion you can’t afford
4) townhome or condo
I have been fortunate to be able to buy small homes on the periphery of urban centers that I was able to make money on with the caveat that I have commuted, sometimes and hour or more each way, every working day of my life. We’ve been outside Hammond for 20 years in a 50 year old 2000sf home, that will be my last. It’s the largest home I’ve ever owned.
if I had a large family though, it would have been a challenge. However I do think that quality of life matters and whatever sacrifices we would have had to make would have been worth it. BTW interest rates today are far lower than they were for 90% of my mortgage paying life, but prices are higher
I paid 240K for this house in 2006. I’ve spent at least another 100K in improvements. I doubt it would sell for more than the low 300’s even today, which to me is pretty damn good in comparison to the other crap around. Just got to be willing to commute
Posted on 4/23/26 at 8:23 am to Scruffy
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So, why don’t people just build a home?
Because it is also expensive as frick and time consuming.
And you have a high chance of a stroke dealing with the various contractors to do portions of the home.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 8:26 am to teke184
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And you have a high chance of a stroke dealing with the various contractors to do portions of the home.
My favorite response so far has been to build it yourself or be your own contractor.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 8:28 am to Scruffy
I have a friend right now that builds houses by contracting each step and this isn't his main stream of income.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 8:29 am to stout
quote:What are people basing this view on?
No one wants to pay fair market value for a house and have to worry about upgrades. They want social media-ready so they can show it off to friends and family.
Your stance implies that there are a multitude of homes out there that are appropriately priced and not in the ghetto that are being turned down solely because they aren’t fully updated.
This is the second or third time I’ve seen this posted.
I would really like to see the info backing that view up.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 8:30 am to Night Vision
quote:Ok?
I have a friend right now that builds houses by contracting each step and this isn't his main stream of income.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 8:32 am to Scruffy
You are poo pooing that avenue.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 8:33 am to Auburn80
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2014: 2,657
Not sure I believe this
Seems like most of these massive new sprawling neighborhoods are mostly 1500-2000
Posted on 4/23/26 at 8:35 am to Techdave
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Hot damn you mean that the numbers from the other thread about houses being unaffordable compared to 1971 are total bullshite?
And you can basically get two houses for your money now compared to 60 years or so ago?
umm they were not bullshite and I specifically talked about this
but also understand price per SF is way up and that its very hard to find smaller houses now that are not in the ghetto.
as i said in the other thread....You and I dont have this issue but we need to be smart enough and self aware enough to understand that the LC and Laff area real estate markets are not the norm for anywhere with economies that are remotely similar.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 8:35 am to Cosmo
quote:If you use DR Horton as a starting point for that view, they average 1950-2000 sqft.
Seems like most of these massive new sprawling neighborhoods are mostly 1500-2000
And the average cost is $365,000.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 8:36 am to Scruffy
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Your stance implies that there are a multitude of homes out there that are appropriately priced and not in the ghetto that are being turned down solely because they aren’t fully updated.
Where did I say multitude? I didn't
However, in a competing market, if I have a house with lower-end finishes and my competitor is equal on all other aspects but with higher-end trim, I am going to lose out every time. That is the point I was making. No one wants to 'uprage later' themselves. They want a turnkey house. And yes some people will even forgo location preference for a house with higher-end finishes.
That being said, there is currently the largest gap in available inventory vs buyers than at any time in history. The issue is that sellers aren't lowering prices yet, even though we have had 15 months of YoY foreclosure activity increasing. The other issue is that buyers think we will see 3% rates again and are waiting it out.
I do think there are fixer-uppers in decent areas that get overlooked often. Actually, considering what I do, I know this to be a fact.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 8:37 am to Auburn80
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1920: 1,048 square feet
1930: 1,129
1940: 1,177
1950: 983
1960: 1,289
1970: 1,500
1980: 1,740
1990: 2,080
2000: 2,266
2010: 2,392
2014: 2,657
2026: 1,500
FIFY
Posted on 4/23/26 at 8:38 am to Auburn80
I grew up in a 900 sq ft home with three small arse bedrooms and one bathroom we all had to share. Six people. My sister had her own room and my brothers and I had to share.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 8:39 am to Scruffy
quote:I’m a contractor and I would never build a home for myself
My favorite response so far has been to build it yourself or be your own contractor.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 8:40 am to stout
quote:Lose out on what?
However, in a competing market, if I have a house with lower-end finishes and my competitor is equal on all other aspects but with higher-end trim, I am going to lose out every time.
You will still sell the home.
Will you sell for as much? Probably not.
But you also wouldn’t have to put as much into the home.
I disagree with your argument that “it is what people want” though, as if people wouldn’t buy it otherwise.
Will people buy a home without granite or ceramic countertops? Yes. My anecdotal evidence is my wife’s uncle flips homes, but does it with small cheap homes. Formica, no granite, etc.
I am not saying you are greedy, I am saying you are maximizing your profits, but I disagree with the premise that we have to do this and update these homes to this level because it is what people want and it won’t sell otherwise.
Hell, my wife and I’s first home was cheap, non-custom cabinets. I don’t recall granite. Floor was concrete that was painted.
1700 sqft
Great first home.
This post was edited on 4/23/26 at 8:44 am
Posted on 4/23/26 at 8:43 am to lsu777
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umm they were not bullshite and I specifically talked about this
but also understand price per SF is way up and that its very hard to find smaller houses now that are not in the ghetto.
as i said in the other thread....You and I dont have this issue but we need to be smart enough and self aware enough to understand that the LC and Laff area real estate markets are not the norm for anywhere with economies that are remotely similar.
Yes I agree. Salmon shared this article that somewhat compares apples to apples: LINK
"Bottom line: even adjusting for the fact that homes are bigger and have central air conditioning today, they are still 17 percent more expensive than 1971 in terms of the time price."
So that is very relevant and the best argument I've seen so far comparing housing over two time periods. Although 17% is more of a modest difference. Seems like most people were implying a 100% increase or something wild.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 8:47 am to Scruffy
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My favorite response so far has been to build it yourself or be your own contractor.
Not that farfetched. I'm about to do that myself to get more house for the money. Yes, it will be a shite load of work, but I think I can save 20% by cutting out the builder and sourcing some of the materials myself. Possibly even taking on some of the projects like flooring myself.
But like I said in the original thread, I'm willing to do the work. Not everyone is.
This post was edited on 4/23/26 at 8:50 am
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