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re: Average interest rate on 30 year mortgage rises to 7.59%, highest since December 2000

Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:48 pm to
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:48 pm to
Jesus, you make yourself and your argument look dumber and dumber as you go on.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
65837 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:51 pm to
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genuinely have no idea how people are buying homes right now.


Same way we did it in post-9/11 2001/2002.
Posted by Veritas
Raleigh, NC
Member since Feb 2005
6256 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:51 pm to
I’ve been looking to buy, but I’m not willing to overpay in this market with these rates. I’d love to own and build equity, but it’s hard to justify right now.

At this point with the uncertainty in the market right now and elections coming up in 12 months, I’d rather wait it out. Nothing this current administration does gives me economic confidence.
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
8386 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:53 pm to
What is nuts is my escrow increased the mortgage 50% due to insurance alone.

God forbid if I built new in my neighborhood, who knows what that would cost. Thankfully flood can only go up so much every year.

Posted by stout
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:54 pm to
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Same way we did it in post-9/11 2001/2002.



Good times. I was a young Realtor and newly minted spec home builder/contractor then and remember 2003/04 was when the market really started to gain steam and for 3'ish years it was insanity. You could not have a pulse and get a mortgage at 110% LTV.
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13666 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:55 pm to
If treasuries are paying 5% or so, is anyone surprised?

Posted by GatorPA84
PNW
Member since Sep 2016
4837 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:56 pm to
Is this the thread people say their current interest rates (2.9) and when they purchased (2018)?
Posted by stout
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:58 pm to
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If treasuries are paying 5% or so, is anyone surprised?



The fact that the Fed paused rates yet lending rates are still going up is concerning.

I read a pretty good explanation as to why.


quote:

Rates continue to rise despite a rate pause due to record levels of Treasury Bonds

10-year note yield rises as high as 4.37%, the highest since 2007.

Rates continue to rise despite a Fed rate pause expected.

Why?

The US is issuing record levels of Treasury Bonds to fund deficit spending.

There is so much supply that it is driving bond prices lower and treasury yields higher.

Between this quarter and the next, $1.9 trillion in US Treasury bonds will be issued.

We are paying for deficit spending in many ways.

Higher interest rates is one of them.




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Posted by Billy Blanks
Member since Dec 2021
3809 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:59 pm to
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I genuinely have no idea how people are buying homes right now.


They aren't. Blackrock is.


Wrong. Blackrock and others did in 2020, 2021, and 2022 and in giants numbers. They are out of the game today for the most part.
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 9:03 pm
Posted by Drop4Loss
Birds Eye Of Deaf Valley
Member since Oct 2007
3878 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:01 pm to
As per the BR MLS
There are currently 658 houses pending to close
Ie under contract to purchase
Thats a long way from a dead market

Of these pendings, avg price is $340,000 so many of these are first timers, getting a mortgage. So yea sales are happnin

FYI
The highest pending is one for $7.9 mill on
Moss Side lane
Posted by Veritas
Raleigh, NC
Member since Feb 2005
6256 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:01 pm to
If you want a real gut punch and how lenders view the market and future market, look at adjustable rates.
Posted by stout
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:02 pm to
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They are out of the game today for the most part.


This is from an email I got this week from a small hedg fund


quote:

...and we buy homes across the country to repair and lease to our residents, and then manage them thereafter. Currently, we own about 4,000 properties across the country and plan to grow to around 10,000 by the end of 2026.



Blackrock might be out but they have shown the model to other hedge funds to follow.
Posted by Buryl
Member since Sep 2016
828 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:03 pm to
I would live in a trailer before I bought a home in this market.

I'd also like to send a big frick You to the Fed for screwing over all the first time homebuyers.
Posted by nola tiger lsu
Member since Nov 2007
5296 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:03 pm to
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Which will wipe out a lot of equity people have built up.


Not happening
Posted by dakarx
Member since Sep 2018
6859 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:03 pm to
Anyone sitting on an Adjustable Rate Mortgage right now has to be shifting kittens.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85090 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:08 pm to
There also isn’t a direct correlation to long term rates and short term rates.

Posted by stout
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Member since Sep 2006
167410 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:09 pm to
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Not happening



You think if we see a stagnant market it will not reduce equity?
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 9:11 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85090 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:09 pm to
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I'd also like to send a big frick You to the Fed for screwing over all the first time homebuyers.


Not exactly all their fault. Lots of parties to blame on both sides of the aisle.
Posted by gmac8604
Green Bay, WI
Member since Jun 2012
1107 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:11 pm to
You do know that circulation of currency has been increasing every year for the past 20 years, yeah? Those printers don’t stop.
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45810 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:13 pm to
Y'all ain't seen nothing yet.

Home mortgage rates averaged about 8.85% at the onset of the Carter administration in 1977. However, by the end of Carter's presidency in 1981, home mortgage rates averaged a whopping 16.64%.
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