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re: Aussie woman calls cops after hearing noise, Minn. police kill her Update:officer named

Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:06 am to
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21692 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:06 am to
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Seriously dude stop and think. If the dashcam was on where would it be pointed? Where, in relation to the officers' vehicle, was the woman shot? These are questions you should ask yourself.


So now youre saying there is video, but its only useful because of the audio?

Did you miss the part where the article said there was no video?

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I guess common sense is not something everyone beholds.


Its becoming clearer in every word you type.
Posted by Speedy G
Member since Aug 2013
3984 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:08 am to
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It kind of sounds like a mis fire. Maybe she was talking to the driver cop relaying information and the passenger cop was checking his weapon getting ready to exit the vehicle and start investigating when the pistol went off.

Not sure why this comment was met with such scorn. Why would the officer in the passenger's seat intentionally shoot across his partner through the door if she was standing at an open window? Has it been reported where she was hit? That's not meant to excuse the officer's actions.

And, I wouldn't expect body cameras the be active inside the vehicle. They would mostly just record the dash board and there are already recording devices attached to the vehicle.

Maybe it takes an international incident to get some police tactic reform and stop the 'shoot first' mentality that has seemingly become SOP.
Posted by boogedy
Member since May 2011
419 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:08 am to
How do you know there is not? Because a newspaper said there is no video. You are assuming that they mean any video (time stamped audio), I assume they mean video of the actual altercation where it shows the woman getting shot. Do You see my point.
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
45322 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:13 am to
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You do realize, the default is for them to be off, and the officer has to manually turn it on, right?


Yes. I believe that is also the same for his car, flashlight, and taser. He cannot use any of them if he does not turn them on.

My truck works the same way but it is not military grade.

Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:18 am to
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What the frick? There has to be more to that story.



How many direct interactions with citizens do police around the country have each day? Maybe hundreds of thousands? There will be mistakes made in that many interactions and some of those mistakes will be the result of an officer doing something stupid or careless. It's Math + Human Nature.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76536 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:18 am to
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the officer has to manually turn it on, right?
He should have turned it on.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112623 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:19 am to
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Yes. I believe that is also the same for his car, flashlight, and taser. He cannot use any of them if he does not turn them on.

My truck works the same way but it is not military grade.

You insinuated that he "turned it off and shot a lady" but I just don't think you realized it was never on to begin with.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36325 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:19 am to
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Do you think that cops should 100% of the time be able to know and anticipate when an issue is going to arise?

I feel like they should turn the cameras on immediately upon responding to a call.
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
69485 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:20 am to
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You do realize, the default is for them to be off, and the officer has to manually turn it on, right?



Why not turn it on at the beginning of every interaction with people before they ever get out the car
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112623 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:20 am to
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He should have turned it on.
You can't say that based on what we know right now, or what we don't know to be more to the point.

Especially if what that one poster quoted as per Minnesota law/policy that states when they should turn them on.

It's easy to play Monday morning quarterback, but there aren't enough facts for us to make that determination with 100% accuracy.
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 11:21 am
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112623 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:21 am to
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I feel like they should turn the cameras on immediately upon responding to a call.

100% agree, but that doesn't seem to be the policy.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112623 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:23 am to
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Why not turn it on at the beginning of every interaction with people before they ever get out the car

Same as above, I agree, but that's not policy.

Seems like a few are arguing on what they think should happened but they're extrapolating what they think and magically making that the actual policy, which it isn't.
Posted by FLAK88
Gonzales La.
Member since Jan 2015
494 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:24 am to
I read on one news outlet that she investigated a disturbance in an alley. When doing so she brought a knife with her. She called the police and when they showed up she approached the car with the knife in her hand and the officer shot her...who know though...
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
20456 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:24 am to
Sounds awful, but I'm having a hard time understanding a scenario where a police officer just shoots a person who called them for help because they were standing by their door. Especially when the other officer is between the person and the gun.

Not saying it was justified but the way the story's been presented, she just walked up to talk and the officer murdered her in cold blood.

Unless the officer was mentally ill or intoxicated.
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
73554 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:25 am to
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When doing so she brought a knife with her. She called the police and when they showed up she approached the car with the knife in her hand



i heard it was a chainsaw.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76536 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:25 am to
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You can't say that based on what we know right now, or what we don't know to be more to the point.
Actually, Scruffy can.

His camera was off. They arrive on scene. He should have turned it on just prior to arrival. That should be protocol. The fact that he did not should be a fireable offense.

I realize the concept of "should" applies here.

We need SEVERE changes to police tactics and protocols in regards to body cameras.

For God's sake man. Hold the police to at least some standard.
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 11:28 am
Posted by dagrippa
Saigon
Member since Nov 2004
11955 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:26 am to
RACIST COPS!
Posted by Mung
Ba’on Rooj
Member since Aug 2007
9148 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:27 am to
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the officer in the passenger seat pulled his gun and shot Damond through the driver’s side door, sources said.


At the very least his partner should whip his azz for ringing his ears.
Posted by Bunta
Member since Oct 2007
12675 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:27 am to
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I'm sure Gravy will be along any minute to denounce this heinous act

Doesn't pass his color test.

Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112623 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:27 am to
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Actually, Scruffy can.

Right, you can make all the assumptions you want. It just doesn't make it so, it just makes it an assumption on your part.

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His camera was off. They arise on scene. He should have turned it on just prior to arrival. That should be protocol. The fact that he did not should be a fireable offense.

But it's not protocol. See my previous post about taking what you think should happen and making that the actual standard....but it's not.
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