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re: A's on the rise in U.S. report cards, but SAT scores founder
Posted on 7/18/17 at 1:53 pm to 13SaintTiger
Posted on 7/18/17 at 1:53 pm to 13SaintTiger
You mean correct?
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 1:54 pm to YipSkiddlyDooo
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The title says "SAT scores founder"
It should say flounder...your reading comprehension skills would get you an A at these schools too
Seriously?? Is English your first language?
Posted on 7/18/17 at 1:54 pm to KG6
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hey won't suspend horrible kids because having too many suspensions looks bad on the school,
And they don't expel kids, no matter what (well it has to be really bad) until a certain date. They have to submit a total number of kids on free lunch by a certain date. If they expel a student, who is on free lunch, before that date, the school doesn't get a whole year's payment for their free lunch. But once that date is up, they can expel the student and that is extra money the school gets.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 1:56 pm to YipSkiddlyDooo
Lol at you pretending you didnt think it was a typo
Posted on 7/18/17 at 1:58 pm to YipSkiddlyDooo
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Founder as a verb (not related to a ship) means to fail. Flounder is struggling, though it hasn't completely failed or "sunk." In this context flounder is more appropriate. A marriage in trouble is floundering, it has foundered once it has ended in divorce. The SAT scores are floundering or struggling as they relate to grade inflation, they haven't yet foundered.
Nice try. Just be a man and admit you had no clue what the verb founder meant when you posted your grammar gotcha to the OP. You didn't even know founder was a verb did you? 
Posted on 7/18/17 at 1:59 pm to UGATiger26
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forget which comedian it was, but he did a bit on this phrase. "I find it interesting when people claim they're intelligent, but they're just not good test-takers. They're like 'I'm just not a good test-taker', and I'm like 'oh, you mean those things where you have to demonstrate that you actually know stuff?'"
Tosh, IIRC.
I'd like to see more from this study. Significantly more students are taking the SAT/ACT as college entrance is more feasible than ever, so it makes sense that SAT scores could decline on average.
Your average student in 1996 wasn't going to college, so he wasn't taking the SAT/ACT. Things have changed, so more average students taking those tests would account for the decrease in the overall average.
Additionally, I'd like to see more about the grade inflation data for private schools vs the SAT scores for private schools.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:00 pm to 13SaintTiger
Although you can make a solid argument for founder, it seems flounder fits better here. Founder is a fail, it has an absolute with it. Translating it , "but SAT scores fail". Flounder is a struggle, "but SAT scores struggle"
"A's on the rise in U.S. report cards, but SAT scores fail"
"A's on the rise in U.S. report cards, but SAT scores struggle"
SAT scores are not failing, however they are struggling to keep pace with the A report cards.
"A's on the rise in U.S. report cards, but SAT scores fail"
"A's on the rise in U.S. report cards, but SAT scores struggle"
SAT scores are not failing, however they are struggling to keep pace with the A report cards.
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:00 pm to KG6
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They teach kids to take tests now. The whole schools system is set up so that the school itself grades well.
And yes, this is the biggest problem. That is all that matters to the administration. Forget applying material so that the students can have hands on learning experiences or having to work on anything that makes them have to figure it out, its about giving them material and making sure they remember it for the test at the end of the year.
This is a question I just thought about, but what is more valuable to the student? Having really good grades each 9 weeks or having a high score on these test? In other words, what if a student has really good grades throughout the year, but fails miserably on the test they all have to take?
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:02 pm to elposter
I knew as a verb it meant "to fail". Which doesn't make sense. Flounder does. I sure did think is was a typo because founder still doesn't make sense...but add a letter and it actually does.
Look, I get why you guys thought it meant "to sink" outside of the context of a ship. With Louisiana and boats and all...but it doesn't.
Look, I get why you guys thought it meant "to sink" outside of the context of a ship. With Louisiana and boats and all...but it doesn't.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:03 pm to BulldogXero
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Stop forcing coaches to teach. Beyond that, I don't see an easy solution to this problem
Hire teachers to teach what they have a background in. Don't make the football coach teach algebra and don't make the person with the English degree teach science. Its that simple.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:06 pm to YipSkiddlyDooo
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Flounder and founder are happy little nouns that don't get mixed up. But it all falls apart when they're verbs — if you're floundering, you're struggling. If you're foundering, you're failing completely. You're sunk! You can't even hold onto the letter l.
Vocabulary.com
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:10 pm to YipSkiddlyDooo
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YipSkiddlyDooo
Time to step away from the table.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:12 pm to Evolved Simian
Because my understanding of English is apparently better than yours?
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:13 pm to YipSkiddlyDooo
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I knew as a verb it meant "to fail". Which doesn't make sense. Flounder does. I sure did think is was a typo because founder still doesn't make sense...but add a letter and it actually does.
Look, I get why you guys thought it meant "to sink" outside of the context of a ship. With Louisiana and boats and all...but it doesn't.
Sure you did. Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:15 pm to DarthRebel
quote:I literally copied and pasted the title of the article into the thread title box
I think the OP covfefe'd this.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:24 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Teachers don't wanna upset their students and ruining chance of getting laid
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:30 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Because schools teach to the State Exams, not the SATs.
Also the SAT Writing Exam, which is gayer than Liberace.
Also the SAT Writing Exam, which is gayer than Liberace.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:34 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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I literally copied and pasted the title of the article into the thread title box
My apologies then, you are in the clear
Not saying it is wrong in use, it is not. Clarity and context is everything though. Most Americans are going to read that and think he is talking about the founder of the SAT test
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:38 pm to NIH
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That or the classic OT anecdotal response, "yeah, well I know a guy who made a 16 and he's a millionaire!"
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SAT
Oh my.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:40 pm to GoldenGuy
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Because schools teach to the State Exams, not the SATs.
Also the SAT Writing Exam, which is gayer than Liberace.
Writing Exam is dumb and I agree they place too much emphasis on state testing.
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