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re: Arkansas teen killed by deputy
Posted on 6/26/21 at 7:49 am to Gravitiger
Posted on 6/26/21 at 7:49 am to Gravitiger
Thought experiment:
How do you ascertain someone has committed a crime without first investigating suspicion, absent a direct witness or confession?
When you answer this, you’ll realize you are wrong.
Unless you’re one of those leftists that never allow themselves to feel embarrassment.
How do you ascertain someone has committed a crime without first investigating suspicion, absent a direct witness or confession?
When you answer this, you’ll realize you are wrong.
Unless you’re one of those leftists that never allow themselves to feel embarrassment.
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Posted on 6/26/21 at 7:52 am to Tiguar
quote:I'm not wrong that you don’t have to be charged with a crime to have technically committed one. That's all I said.
Thought experiment:
How do you ascertain someone has committed a crime without first investigating suspicion, absent a direct witness or confession?
When you answer this, you’ll realize you are wrong.
Unless you’re one of those leftists that never allow themselves to feel embarrassment.
I said nothing at all about when cops should be allowed to pull someone over or investigate something.
Thought experiment: try reading what someone actually said instead of putting words in their mouth. When you do this, you’ll realize you were wrong. Unless you’re one of those righties that never allows themselves to feel embarrassment.
This post was edited on 6/26/21 at 7:55 am
Posted on 6/28/21 at 6:20 pm to pioneerbasketball
This has gotten big
Posted on 6/28/21 at 6:57 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:
I've been waiting for years for someone to show me the law against sudden movements.
Can you show it to me?
btw-I leave my business at all hours of the night. Sometimes 3am.
Well, if you ever have the police pull up on you when you’re leaving, just make some sudden movements where the officer can’t really see what you’re doing. I’m sure he’ll thoughtfully and carefully explain the law that says they have a right to defend their lives, and go home to their families. The law that says police officers are killed at an alarming rate, by people doing exactly what you are doing. The law that says if he waits to identify and understand exactly what you are doing, he has almost certainly given you the opportunity to kill him.
Or he will just shoot you, which is exactly what I would do. It shouldn’t take a law to make people understand that when you are in a high stress, high danger situation with a man carrying a gun, you can’t be getting all jiggy with your movements around him, or you are quite likely to get shot.
I can’t really speak to the merits of this case, and really, neither can anyone else. But the bottom line is if if you make a man feel like he needs to defend himself, he probably will. Cop or not.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 6:59 pm to pioneerbasketball
And his family won't see a penny like others ppl.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 7:01 pm to pioneerbasketball
Dang they are actually reporting these white deaths? I think weve had two this week already.
If they really wanted people on the blm side and against police brutality they should not have pretended that white people dont get killed by cops.
If they really wanted people on the blm side and against police brutality they should not have pretended that white people dont get killed by cops.
This post was edited on 6/28/21 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 6/28/21 at 7:31 pm to troyt37
quote:
I’m sure he’ll thoughtfully and carefully explain the law that says they have a right to defend their lives, and go home to their families. The law that says police officers are killed at an alarming rate, by people doing exactly what you are doing. The law that says if he waits to identify and understand exactly what you are doing, he has almost certainly given you the opportunity to kill him. Or he will just shoot you, which is exactly what I would do. It shouldn’t take a law to make people understand that when you are in a high stress, high danger situation with a man carrying a gun, you can’t be getting all jiggy with your movements around him, or you are quite likely to get shot.
Most of these stops are cause of stupid shite though. Police need to stop making stops due to things that dont involve force or fraud on another person. And if they’re that scared that they can’t wait before pulling the trigger, find a different job. Police are undertrained and over federalized. We need local police, paid for by local taxes, voted on by local people, not funded by grants or the federal government, not outfitted like the military and federal police to stay out of it. Also, police need to be held accountable for when they frick up.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 7:34 pm to troyt37
quote:
Or he will just shoot you, which is exactly what I would do. It shouldn’t take a law to make people understand that when you are in a high stress, high danger situation with a man carrying a gun, you can’t be getting all jiggy with your movements around him, or you are quite likely to get shot
Another good reason to reduce the need for law enforcement.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 7:53 pm to GEAUXmedic
quote:
Most of these stops are cause of stupid shite though. Police need to stop making stops due to things that dont involve force or fraud on another person.
If you are talking about this particular situation, they were leaving a closed business, in the wee hours of the morning. So, doing exactly what the police are supposed to do.
quote:
And if they’re that scared that they can’t wait before pulling the trigger, find a different job.
Have you ever had another person put you in a life threatening position on purpose? Not grabassing or driving too fast for thrills, but actually intending or appearing to intend to kill you? I seriously doubt it. I seriously doubt you’ve ever hunted dangerous game, much less a man. I seriously doubt you have ever put yourself in a situation where you had to confront, much less stop or subdue a dangerous person.
I am all for holding police accountable when they abuse their power, usurp the law, and yes, even when they just frick up. But if you’re going to call shooting someone reaching around for shite after being stopped in the middle of the night, I’m going to have to disagree until I see something more than a man defending himself from a potentially deadly situation.
This post was edited on 6/28/21 at 7:55 pm
Posted on 6/28/21 at 7:57 pm to GEAUXmedic
quote:
GEAUXmedic
You got your toaster registered yet, baw?
Posted on 6/28/21 at 8:03 pm to troyt37
quote:
Or he will just shoot you, which is exactly what I would do.
Your post is so incredibly moronic it is nearly impossible to reply. However...
It's good to know that you think someone with 2 years of community college that is given a badge along with his $17/hour job has the right to gun someone down because he's scared.
btw-Sounds like you are an incredible pussy as well if your first reaction is to shoot someone.
eta-Bill Barr would love you. He too thinks government agents should be able to kill with no reason.
This post was edited on 6/28/21 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 6/28/21 at 8:03 pm to troyt37
Very well stated and I agree. As you can easily see in these horrible police death videos, these incidents happen typically less than 1-5 seconds. The worse the environment, the more jumpy the police become, and rightly so. The present environment is as bad as I have seen it. This is all real damn simple. Keep you hands where the officers can see them. Be polite and accommodating and all will go well
Posted on 6/28/21 at 8:05 pm to troyt37
quote:
If you are talking about this particular situation, they were leaving a closed business, in the wee hours of the morning. So, doing exactly what the police are supposed to do.
Nothing they did was illegal. The cop initiated a stop for nothing and escalated it for nothing.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 8:05 pm to LegendInMyMind
quote:
LegendInMyMind
You continue to prove you have no winning argument on this by name calling and innuendo.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 8:06 pm to Arbengal
quote:
This is all real damn simple. Keep you hands where the officers can see them. Be polite and accommodating and all will go well
Or, imagine this, don’t pull someone over when they haven’t done anything wrong. Amazing right?
Posted on 6/28/21 at 8:08 pm to pioneerbasketball
I'm shocked that my web search didn't turn up an article on a single nationwide news website about this.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 8:09 pm to pioneerbasketball
It's time for whites to rage. White lives matter. Print the shirts.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 8:11 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:
I'm shocked that my web search didn't turn up an article on a single nationwide news website about this.
Vice did an article today.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 8:15 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:
It's good to know that you think someone with 2 years of community college that is given a badge along with his $17/hour job has the right to gun someone down because he's scared.
It doesn’t matter if he’s a high school dropout. If you make a man think he needs to defend himself, he probably will.
quote:
btw-Sounds like you are an incredible pussy as well if your first reaction is to shoot someone.
Sounds like you are talkin out your arse, and want an argument to me. I never said it would be my first reaction, and it wouldn’t be, unless I had no time for anything else. It’s not my responsibility to give someone else the opportunity to kill me or my family, because you think I should assess someone’s emotional state or willingness to kill, while they are reaching for shite.
quote:
eta-Bill Barr would love you. He too thinks government agents should be able to kill with no reason.
Yep, right out of your arse. Fairly normal for you though.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 8:23 pm to GEAUXmedic
quote:
Nothing they did was illegal. The cop initiated a stop for nothing and escalated it for nothing.
All the more reason for not reaching around for shite, after being stopped by the police. The cop initiated the stop because they were leaving a closed business in the middle of the night. Were you not listening, or are you just making up your own story here? Do you not know what cops do? Are you not aware of the thievery that goes on?
The escalation was most likely a reaction to making movements the cop could not see. It’s exactly, precisely how many of them get shot and killed. Doing shite you aren’t told to do, aren’t expected to do, and are being told not to do by a police officer on a stop in the middle of the night can only be viewed as an escalation on the part of the citizen.
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