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re: Ark Encounter in Kentucky (mostly not travel-related)
Posted on 5/9/23 at 12:16 pm to ThuperThumpin
Posted on 5/9/23 at 12:16 pm to ThuperThumpin
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Do you believe evolution and intelligent design are entirely mutually exclusive?
Yes. I don’t see where the historical narrative of creation, in Genesis, leaves room for Darwinian evolution. Just because some “Christians” are willing to abandon the authority of Gods Word- proves nothing.
Genesis 1:20–27 (NASB95): Then God said, “Let the waters teem with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open expanse of the heavens.”
21 God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good.
22 God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.”
23 There was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.
24 ?Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind”; and it was so.
25 God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good.
26 ?Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
Seems pretty straightforward to me. But- to each his own. I cannot be held to account for you- nor you for me. May God give us all, wisdom.
This post was edited on 5/9/23 at 12:17 pm
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Posted on 5/9/23 at 12:19 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
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Some of us are just smart and aware enough on both sides of the issue to challenge the status quo, actually consider and weigh the holes, and actually put both sides to intellectual test. I think that’s called actual science. To me, and a lot of Christians (and non-Christians), the most likely answer is glaringly obvious. It HAS to be intelligent design by a creator.
The scientific method describes what is observable. It doesn't fill in the blanks, it doesn't attempt to make sense of what is reality. You are not a scientist, you are a believer trying to build a case to support what you believe.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 12:22 pm to Mike da Tigah
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Every single one of us are descendants of one common ancestor, Adam. Scientists even believe that’s true, that we all share a common ancestor.
"one common ancestor" doesn't mean what you think it means
Posted on 5/9/23 at 12:23 pm to sodcutterjones
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Just because the Jurassic Park movies made these dinosaurs to be man eating ferocious beasts to make movies scary and thrilling doesn't mean that it's true. Hell, there are many medieval and Chinese references in literature that point to dinosaurs, dragons, fire breathing lizards. They have found fossilized footprints of dinosaur's side by side a man's footprints But don't let my opinion sway your close-mindedness off. It doesn't hurt to research these things for yourself just to go against the grain of what you/we have been taught for years.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 12:23 pm to BayouBlitz
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Well that doesn't sound like rain at all.
There was rain:
“And rain fell upon the earth forty days and forty nights.”
Genesis 7:12 ESV
This post was edited on 5/9/23 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 5/9/23 at 12:23 pm to RobbBobb
"Why Evolution is True" by Jerry Coyne is a pretty good layman's read on the topic. He talks about how evolution works at a relatively high level and the overwhelming evidence in support of it - fossil evidence, shared anatomy, biogeography, etc. He also dispels common misconceptions around evolution (like the half-man, half-monkey comment from above).
Posted on 5/9/23 at 12:30 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
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What we can be confident of, though, is that the entire genetic code of the Earth at that time was represented and preserved on the Ark.
say about the 1% or more Neanderthal DNA carried and used by 200 million Euros today.
say about the people of northern Luzon and Papua New Guinea who have several % Denosovan DNA.
the Aussie aborigines have both Neanderthal DNA and some Denosovan DNA.
prior to mating with humans the Neanderthal survived for over 350,000 years.
we judge from scientific evidence that there were only 10,000 Neanderthals at any one time.
the Neanderthals domesticated hyenas.
and they used golden eagles for falconry.
as for humans they were nearly wiped out after a volcano made winter for 3 years. DNA tells us they were down to a few thousand pairs after the volcano.
all I got.
no way that shite is all explained by 6000 years and a flood.
I give you credit for a comprehensive theory.
This post was edited on 5/9/23 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 5/9/23 at 12:31 pm to FinleyStreet
I love Religion OT. It’s awesome until it gets nuked.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 12:37 pm to CPTDCKHD
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Seems pretty straightforward to me. But- to each his own.
So no room for any metaphors in the literature? If we were to simply accept only the knowledge presented in Genesis wouldnt we be leaving out a lot of what makes the universe tick? What would be the point in studying chemistry, physics, biology etc...if you think all the answers are in the Bible?
I wasnt really referring to the Bible per se just generally speaking I leave open the possibility that evolution is a mechanism in which a intelligent designer would bring forth intelligent life. That isnt a revelation as many folks reconcile their spiritual belief in a creator and scientific knowledge that way.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 12:48 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
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There was rain: “And rain fell upon the earth forty days and forty nights.” Genesis 7:12 ESV
You’re thinking of Forrest Gump not the Bible.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 12:55 pm to BayouBlitz
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Well that doesn't sound like rain at all.
Well, lets apply what we do know
* The earth has a molten core
* That core has caused multiple eruptions over time
* Super heated water turns to steam
* Steams cools in the atmosphere and turns to water, which is then impacted by gravity
* The process of heated water, cooling, and then raining is known as the water cycle
translation: There was an underground ocean of water between the molten core and the Earths crust. Over time (who knows how long) the water became super-heated and forced cracks in the surface. That water then returned as rain. For 40 days according to the narrative
As a result, clouds became a thing, the water cycle was initiated, and the Earths crust was massively altered by the eruption, as well as the force of rushing water to the lowest possible point. Gravity again
Therefore you get the continents looking like jigsaw pieces on a map. And many, many traceable elements of humankind arising from the Fertile Crescent, the area where the ark was recorded to have landed. Elements such as permanent residences, language and writing, domestication of animals, barter systems and trade, agriculture, irrigation, metallurgy, libraries compiling knowledge, etc. Thats why its called the 'Cradle of Civilization"
Posted on 5/9/23 at 1:01 pm to FutureMikeVIII
Posted on 5/9/23 at 1:21 pm to RobbBobb
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That water then returned as rain. For 40 days according to the narrative
You do know 40 days and nights wouldn't come close to covering the globe, as per the Bible.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 1:27 pm to BayouBlitz
Try reading the scripture and it will tell you that it just didnt just rain for 40 days and nights:
"on the seventeenth day of the second month, all the underground waters erupted from the earth, and the rain fell in mighty torrents from the sky."
"on the seventeenth day of the second month, all the underground waters erupted from the earth, and the rain fell in mighty torrents from the sky."
This post was edited on 5/9/23 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 5/9/23 at 1:27 pm to sodcutterjones
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They have found fossilized footprints of dinosaur's side by side a man's footprints But don't let my opinion sway your close-mindedness off.
Nope.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 1:30 pm to Dawgirl
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Try reading the scripture and it will tell you
Nah we are good.
We know that the entire Earth was not flooded in the past several thousand years. It is not possible.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 1:34 pm to Fun Bunch
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It is not possible.
Of course it is.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 1:37 pm to ThuperThumpin
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So no room for any metaphors in the literature?
Of course! There are many metaphors, allegories, poems, songs, etc., but not here. Genesis is an historical narrative- that is the beginning of the meta-narrative that is the Bible- the story of God’s creation, from beginning to end.
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If we were to simply accept only the knowledge presented in Genesis wouldnt we be leaving out a lot of what makes the universe tick?
Sure. Genesis is not a scientific exposition of creation, but an historical narrative. Most of the Bible doesn’t explain the how and why- only the “what.”
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What would be the point in studying chemistry, physics, biology etc...if you think all the answers are in the Bible?
Short answer: To prove the existence of God through the discovery of His intelligent design. To use the gifts He has given us to glorify Him. To attempt to understand the mysteries He has laid out before us.
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I wasnt really referring to the Bible per se just generally speaking I leave open the possibility that evolution is a mechanism in which a intelligent designer would bring forth intelligent life.
Well, my friend, the Bible is God’s word. Ask yourself this question: Do I doubt Gods word because I doubt God- or because I fear persecution for my beliefs?
The good news: This is a secondary issue. Our eternal destiny is not defined by our interpretation of Genesis. It is determined by grace, through faith in the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Amen.
The bad news: Our approach to, and proceeding from, this secondary issue- MAY lead to a condition that puts us in jeopardy in regards to the primary concern.
Trust. In. Him.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 1:40 pm to Fun Bunch
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We know that the entire Earth was not flooded in the past several thousand years. It is not possible.
Lots of evidence of this. Open your mind just a tad.
Robert Ballard
The Guardian
Posted on 5/9/23 at 1:47 pm to imjustafatkid
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Of course it is.
It is of course not. First of all, there is absolutely no evidence of a worldwide flood, and significant evidence that there never has been in the past few thousand years. Geology, particularly with Deserts and sandstone disprove the worldwide flood theory.
Second, a worldwide flood would have killed off all of the coral reefs, which could not have survived a world wide flood. Most major coral reefs long outdate the past 8,000 years, some over 100,000 years old.
Third, the amount of salinity in the air would kill off pretty much everything, including Noah and his family.
Those are just minor points not even scratching the surface of why it didn't happen.
However:
There is evidence of a large scale flood of the Mediterranean into the Black Sea about 7,500 years ago that desert nomads would have seen as a catastrophic "worldwide event".
And last, the Hebrew word that is often translated to mean the world, in common usage at the time likely meant simply "land" instead according to most historical linguists.
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