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re: Apparently the ATF has very little self awareness- Waco related
Posted on 2/28/23 at 4:32 pm to CocomoLSU
Posted on 2/28/23 at 4:32 pm to CocomoLSU
quote:Not exactly apples to apples, but does Japan celebrate deaths of their "brave" kamikaze pilots from WW2? Maybe they do, though I seem to recall reading they have an overall muted response nationally to the entire conflict.
regardless of how mishandled the situation was.
Regardless, Waco was a debacle, and ATF would be well-served to avoid reminding folks how badly they screwed up.
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 4:32 pm to CocomoLSU
They could have picked Koresh up numerous times prior to invading.
It was the government that chose to make a dramatic scene and involve everyone.
It was the government that chose to make a dramatic scene and involve everyone.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 4:33 pm to SneezyBeltranIsHere
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Do you genuinely believe Koresh's claims that he was selected by God to fulfill the prophecies of Daniel by setting up a Davidic kingdom in Waco, Texas?
I believe that Koresh believed it. But what does that have to do with anything?
They could have arrested him a hundred times before rolling tanks up to the Mt. Carmel Center
Posted on 2/28/23 at 4:34 pm to SneezyBeltranIsHere
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Do you genuinely believe Koresh's claims that he was selected by God to fulfill the prophecies of Daniel by setting up a Davidic kingdom in Waco, Texas?
I do not. Therefore he must be crushed. If, by the way, we can come out of the deal with some good publicity, all the better.
Signed,
The ATF and Attorney General Butch Babe.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 4:34 pm to Midtiger farm
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Such as?
My memory is a little hazy on it. But weren’t there multiple times with both sides could have ended things peacefully? That’s what I mean.
I put the majority of the blame on the lettered agencies, no doubt (and some should’ve faced consequences). But it didn’t have to come to what it came to, and either side could’ve prevented it IIRC. That’s what I mean.
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 2/28/23 at 4:35 pm to Vols&Shaft83
I understand the vitriol directed at the ATF and general mistrust of government alphabet agencies.
That said, Rob Williams graduated a year ahead of me at my high school and he was a good guy, from a good family.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 4:36 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Posted on 2/28/23 at 4:37 pm to Midtiger farm
Koresh was 100% grooming and raping kids. That doesn't excuse the government mishandling the situation, but he was a cult leader pedo and shouldn't be defended.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 4:40 pm to SneezyBeltranIsHere
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Do you genuinely believe Koresh's claims that he was selected by God to fulfill the prophecies of Daniel by setting up a Davidic kingdom in Waco, Texas?
Na. But I believe this country was founded upon freedom of religion.
Wackos included.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 4:41 pm to Vols&Shaft83
That comment section is fiya
Posted on 2/28/23 at 4:41 pm to Lakeboy7
When did Koresh become someone looked up to? Wasn't he leading a sex cult?
Posted on 2/28/23 at 4:41 pm to Ingeniero
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Koresh was 100% grooming and raping kids
I don't doubt that there is some truth to this, but the government was not able to make this case.
And they tried. He did marry a 14 year old when he was 29, but it actually was legal...gross but legal.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 4:42 pm to CocomoLSU
quote:
. But it didn’t have to come to what it came to, and either side could’ve prevented it IIRC. That’s what I mean.
This post was edited on 2/28 at 4:37 pm
I have no sympathies for Koresh at all, and will not shed any tears for him but the kids didn't need to die. There were numerous opportunities to grab Koresh when he was alone.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 4:43 pm to Napoleon
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When did Koresh become someone looked up to?
Who's looking up to him?
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Wasn't he leading a sex cult?
No.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 4:56 pm to Lakeboy7
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Its a shame all those little girls Koresh got pregnant died.
Yes, it is a shame that our government murdered a bunch of pregnant little girls.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 4:58 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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it is a shame that our government murdered a bunch of pregnant little girls.
our gubment totally fricked that up, there is absolutely no defense of or rationalizing what they did
Posted on 2/28/23 at 5:04 pm to Vols&Shaft83
The ATF royally fricked up and Koresh was a pedo. Both are true.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 5:05 pm to billjamin
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Koresh was a pedo.
pretty decent guitar player though
Posted on 2/28/23 at 5:09 pm to PaperPaintball92
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That comment section is fiya
Posted on 2/28/23 at 5:10 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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"The record of the Waco incident documents mistakes. What the record from Waco does not evidence, however, is any improper motive or intent on the part of law enforcement.” ~Joseph Biden, U.S. Senator, Delaware (D) and member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, which issued the Waco Investigation Report. ”
They used fricking tanks
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FBI commanders consulted then-Attorney General Janet Reno who in turn consulted President Clinton. The ultimate decision to break the siege by force lay with Clinton and, after discussions with Reno and senior FBI officials, the President agreed to have the standoff broken. The armoured vehicles would breach walls and pump CS gas into the main building, smoking out the Davidians. Loudspeakers would tell them that no armed assault was incoming and warn them not to open fire. The amount of gas pumped in would steadily increase for every two hours the Davidians refused to surrender.
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