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re: Apparently the ATF has very little self awareness- Waco related

Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:05 pm to
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:05 pm to
Who’s defending Koresh?
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:06 pm to
You won't admit the government lied like a motherfricker about the whole affair
Posted by billjamin
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:06 pm to
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Maybe the state lied about him being a diddler the way they lied about literally everything else. It's a possibility right?

I'm pretty sure some former members have confirmed his pedo status.

Still doesn't make it right to gas and torch a bunch of people like Lakeboy is implying. Feds fricked up. Koresh is no hero or martyr. It's just a glaring example of what can happen when an overzealous militarized government decides to throw the constitution out and do whatever the frick it wants.
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 7:07 pm
Posted by Lakeboy7
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:08 pm to
Not me
Posted by rantfan
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:09 pm to
The Clinton's first murders for hire?
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:10 pm to
Not even close to their first
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:11 pm to
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Because all this started with the State of Texas, Dept of Child Services wanting a word about an 11 and 12 year old females that were not magically impregnated on the compound.

This sounds EXACTLY like the sort of case the ATF specializes in
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:13 pm to
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This sounds EXACTLY like the sort of case the ATF specializes in


The ATF literally killed the very victims they showed up to rescue/save. If I were the ATF I would avoid mentions of Waco.

I would do one of those monkey puppet meme things.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:14 pm to
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Who’s defending Koresh?

Nobody.

He's just using diversionary talking points to support his side.

Even by the standards of his argument, the federal government murdered dozens of victims. Victory?
Posted by Lakeboy7
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:14 pm to
Texas fricked it up, called big brother once they found out the Dravidian’s were heavily armed.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:14 pm to
Kind of like the "Hostage Rescue Team"
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:15 pm to
Do you know why the kids couldn’t get out of the compound? It seems like they should have been able to evacuate once the fire started.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:15 pm to
And then Big Brother fricked it up
Posted by Lakeboy7
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:17 pm to
Not a perfect operation but dead enders right?
Posted by LongueCarabine
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:18 pm to
The drug nexus was false. It was a lie to get National Guard / Army assets and personnel involved. There are persistent rumors that SF personnel were on the ground for the final attack.

The pedo nexus was never proven, and it isn’t ATF’s purview anyway.

But what really aces it for me is that ATF has consistently refused to produce the weapons they claim were illegally modified.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:18 pm to
Not a perfect operation...
Like the fricking Titanic just stopped to take on ice.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:20 pm to
The weapon produced at the trial was "rebuilt" by the government, and defense was not allowed to touch it
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:20 pm to
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It seems like they should have been able to evacuate once the fire started.


It's been a while since I read or watched anything about this but IIRC, the feds made escape impossible based on where they set the fires.

The fires were set to kill people; not to scare them out of the compound.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:28 pm to
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Texas fricked it up, called big brother once they found out the Dravidian’s were heavily armed.




No they didn't, dipshit. The local police and Koresh himself invited the ATF to visit Mt. Carmel to conduct an inspection... THEY DIDN'T EVEN NEED A WARRANT, AND THE frickING ATF DECIDED TO DO IT THE HARD WAY.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:29 pm to
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But what really aces it for me is that ATF has consistently refused to produce the weapons they claim were illegally modified.


I mean, hard to produce something that never existed.
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