re: Apparently all a girls needs to be a boy is wear boy clothes ( Elliot Page)

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and as long as they ain't harming anyone who gives a frick???


Your side keeps making this argument, but people are being harmed. Let’s not pretend that the Trans police isn’t out there trying to inflict real personal harm to individuals and business that won’t fall in line with the current orthodoxy. We know for a fact that women’s sports has already been affected by trans athletes.

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Provide specific instances....I will bet a coca cola there are issues, If I am wrong I will admit it.

As far as businesses go why should someone trade with someone they do not want to trade with???


And as far as women's sports who gives a flying frick????Have you ever watched a women's basketball or soccer game???? Why??? It is an inferior product. It is actually a product of the very thing you are decrying, political correctness. It would not exist at all if not for something akin to the "trans police".....

I really believe it's just an accepted form of mental illness.

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unless either of y’all have been to seminary, I’d caution against lecturing people

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Which seminary? Most of them are very liberal these days.

Also, the only argument from authority that flies on this topic is the authority from God in His word.

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I’ll start you off with some light reading since the scientific community and discuss it much better than I can.

Scientific American article regarding gender

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Here's a response if you have 10 minutes to watch.

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For the cliffs:

1. Most trans people (97%+) are either XX or XY individuals so the genetic argument this blogger cites doesn't work
2. There are average differences in brains between males and females that allow a determination of sex with 97% accuracy, so the neurobiology argument doesn't work
3. The average distributions of testosterone and estrogen side with one sex or the other and yet having more or less T or E does not change the biology organization of a person, so the endocrinology argument doesn't work
4. The conclusion is that sex isn't a spectrum even though sex-related traits might be on one. Even so, people are either organized as either biologically male or biologically female

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Reject it all you want....

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I will, thanks.

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and pick and choose the crazy shite you accept and the crazy shite you reject...no one gives a tinkers dam.

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A lot of people actually do care what I think and believe. It's why there's a discussion/argument occurring about it. If no one cared, I would simply be ignored and people would go on with their lives.

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But, do not force your world view onto others....

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Why not? When you're telling me to do something or not to do something (like not forcing my worldview onto others), aren't you doing what you're telling me not to do? Why should I accept your worldview and discard mine?

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because yours is as flawed as anyones.

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How so? I can make sense of reality in a coherent way. Others can't and must discard their own worldviews at points (and adopt mine, which is a biblical worldview) to make sense of the world we live in.

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It works for you and thats great....but do not jump from it working for you to it would work for anyone if only they weren't crazy or somehow otherwise flawed...

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You're projecting what I presume is your own worldview of utilitarianism on me. I don't hold to a utilitarian worldview where the pragmatic answer is the right one. I don't hold to my worldview because "it works [for me]", but because I believe it to be true. It "works" because it's correct; it's not correct because it works.

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cause I have a news flash for you...we are all flawed.

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I agree with you entirely on this point. I'm as flawed as anyone else if not moreso because I'm a sinner in need of salvation through Jesus Christ, the son of God, just like you and everyone else. However I do not determine truth. I accept it for what it is. My flaws or lack thereof do not add to or take away from the truth.

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The need of the majority to dictate to the minority how they should lead their lives is what drives the minority to force the issue....if we just accepted the fact that folks are flawed, all folks, and as long as they ain't harming anyone who gives a frick???

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Again your utilitarian perspective is shining through. Who cares as long as no one is being harmed? Is that your standard of what is right and what is true? I hope not, because that is a completely arbitrary and inconsistent way to live your life.

Who defines "harm"? Who determines whether or not harm or the lack of is the "right" standard to go by? Why isn't harming those who get in your way the standard of morality or truth? Is it due to human cooperation? If so, why? Why is that the standard? Is it because of human survival? If so, why is that the standard?

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I don't care who is fricking whom, as long as it is not a child and its consensual

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Why these caveats or exceptions? Who determined that such things are the right exceptions?

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and I do not care what kind of drawers a person likes....

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I don't either, but that's not really the issue.

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I also do not care that it comforts a lot of people to pretend to believe in God...

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Who is pretending?

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as the common refrain goes, you do you....and I will do me...and as long as you aint trying to do me and I aint trying to do you we should be able to accept that we are different.

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Recognizing differences isn't the same as accepting all differences in behavior or what one considers truth.

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We see people doing shite all the time which seems silly to us....even downright disgusting....I think old boy with a brand new $70K 3/4 ton 4 wd squatted in the back with offset wheels is an idiot....but I know some folks prone to this and they aint bad people....just different. I know some gay folks...again, good people, just different than me....and thank goodness we ain't all the same.....

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Why are you equating a preference of vehicles to moral questions about sexuality or identity? Do you not really see them as different? Maybe you don't and maybe your worldview doesn't cause you to care about such things. Mine does, and I have good reasons for believing what I believe.

I can condemn actions of others while loving those who act in such ways. I have a worldview that defines what is right and wrong, what is true and false, and what love is. It also provides a means of salvation and forgiveness that is lacking in this world and it provides a justification for justice that doesn't exist in a coherent way in this world.

You are free to believe a lie, but it won't come without consequences. I urge you to repent of your rebellion against God and accept the free gift of salvation that is offered through the death of Jesus, the only one who obeyed God's law perfectly, as the payment for what we deserve for our sins.

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Do you dispute any of the content of the video that the person provided? He was disputing the facts of the case of the blog post (with citations to studies) so are you going to claim that his lack of authority nullifies his claims?

ETA: It seems that you are addressing this as a claim to authority, even appealing to Scientific American as an authority rather than supporting the claims with facts.

BTW, the thing you linked to was an opinion article on the "Voices" section of the website, not a peer-reviewed journal article with thorough analysis and critique. If you click on the Voices link on that article, it pulls up all sorts of SJW-type of material that is in the same vein. It's a section meant to lend credibility to leftist thought and propaganda, not provide a scientific study of anything. The point is literally "[e]xploring and celebrating diversity in science". Diversity is the key to that section, not truth.

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The point of me posting what I did was to demonstrate that all of the biological processes involved in the human body are not so cut and dry as scientists find new things to determine “X” all the time.

And that the video was even criticized by the TERFs at r/GenderCritical (which is now a banned Reddit sub) who are notorious for being extremely anti-trans.

I’m not a scientist or doctor, I’m not a chemist or the like. Just like I’m not a Theologist either, but I’m expected to be both of these. Same with being a lawyer, therapist and educator. My original intent was to call Revelator out for sh*tting on a portion of the population while doing it in an echo chamber and hiding behind the fact that he was a model “Christian”. Nothing more. But it devolved from there,’it always does.

And I still need a badge as the Trans Police. Maybe a Springfield XD to go along with it? Something better than a Taurus G2C.

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The point of me posting what I did was to demonstrate that all of the biological processes involved in the human body are not so cut and dry as scientists find new things to determine “X” all the time.

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Maybe not everything is so cut and dried, but biological sex appears to be, which I think was the focal point of talking about male and female.

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And that the video was even criticized by the TERFs at r/GenderCritical (which is now a banned Reddit sub) who are notations for being extremely anti-trans.

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I don't do Reddit so I'm not familiar. Lots of things are criticized by lots of people for lots of reasons. Again, I'm not really curious about who criticizes or supports what as much as I'm concerned with the arguments and reasons for the criticism or support. I don't care who that kid is in the video just like I don't care who that woman is who wrote the opinion piece you linked to. Discussing the merits of the issue solely in terms of who is making the claims is to move forward with a logical fallacy of an appeal to authority. I don't want to do that.

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I’m not a scientist or doctor, I’m not a chemist or the like. Just like I’m not a Theologist either, but I’m expected to be both of these. Same with being a lawyer, therapist and educator.

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I understand the notion. I'm none of those things, either, though in these discussions we are expected to be those in order to say anything relevant about those disciplines.

I don't expect you to be any of those things, either. I just want to have a rational, civilized discussion that isn't full of logical fallacies and falsehoods.

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My original intent was to call Revelator out for sh*tting on a portion of the population while doing it in an echo chamber and hiding behind the fact that he was a model “Christian”. Nothing more. But it devolved from there,’it always does.

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I understand that perspective but I disagree that criticizing a movement that denies reality (from a Christian perspective as well as a presumed scientific one) is meant to dehumanize or "sh*t on" anyone, at least that's not how I interpret it. I think there are serious problems with altering society and basic and rudimentary categories that help humanity function due to the subjective and evolving feelings of those who don't like their appearance or those things that come with it, and it's worth a discussion or two due to the far-reaching implications that are associated with it.

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And I still need a badge as the Trans Police. Maybe a Springfield XD to go along with it? Something better than a Taurus G2C.

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Yes, you need something better than a Taurus G2C