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re: Apparently all a girls needs to be a boy is wear boy clothes ( Elliot Page)
Posted on 12/21/20 at 3:10 pm to Korkstand
Posted on 12/21/20 at 3:10 pm to Korkstand
quote:God doesn't force people to sin. Their sin-hardened hearts do that for them.
How do you know?
quote:Not everything, just what God has revealed to us. We have a moral framework to be able to interpret the world that is based on the God of truth. We, therefore, can make claims of moral rightness based on that standard.
One big problem with hardcore christians is they believe they know everything.
quote:Correct, but not because they are ours, but because they stem from the God of truth.
They believe that their faith-based social and political views are somehow different and better than the faith-based social and political views of other religions.
Not all religions are equal. Due to the law of non-contradiction, they all cannot be true in the same way at the same time. One can be true or all can be false, but not all can be true at the same time. We believe the God of the Bible provides a basis for objective truth that doesn't exist elsewhere.
quote:Not all laws are equal. Islam has a worldview based on lies and death. There are good reasons for all people--not just Christians--to oppose Islamic tyranny.
They are likely scared to death of sharia law but have no problem pushing for laws and sociopolitical constructs based on their own religious beliefs.
That said, there are differing opinions among Christians regard the amount of theology that should be baked into political law. The purpose of government within a Christian framework is to provide justice for the people. It isn't necessarily to enforce various religious laws or doctrines. It is, however, supposed to acknowledge Jesus Christ as king of kings and lord of lords and to submit itself to Him, acting justly and righteously. Promoting immorality is not a good thing, and neither is forcing particular doctrines to be held. There has to be a balance in what the government/rulers tolerate.
quote:Correct, but again, not because it's "our" morality, but God's morality. God is perfect and absolute and therefore we need to acknowledge His moral law as such.
They believe that their morality is perfect and absolute, and everyone who disagrees does not simply have a different view but is objectively wrong.
quote:How about both? We should be spending time each day contemplating the law of God and our own imperfections and then seeking God's forgiveness through Jesus Christ. We should also be seeking to share the gospel of Jesus Christ to others and calling all people to repentance of their sins and faith in the one true God and His son, Jesus, for forgiveness of sins and eternal life.
Maybe try spending less time looking for faults in others and more on looking at your own
This post was edited on 12/21/20 at 3:17 pm
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Posted on 12/21/20 at 3:12 pm to Korkstand
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How do you know?
Because if she suddenly decided she wants to be a boy, God isn’t involved in her decision.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 3:17 pm to FooManChoo
quote:So let people be content in their circumstances.
We are commanded to be content with the lot God has given us and the circumstances we find ourselves in
quote:So do that.
We are not supposed to be content with sinful inclinations and desires but fight against them in repentance and faith.
quote:Is that not between an individual and god? Aren't you failing the do not judge test?
It very well may be a test she is failing, but failure to do what we're supposed to do isn't to be tolerated. It's why we are supposed to continually repent. She's embracing her failure, sin, or whatever you want to call it (I'll call it sin).
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She's a human being made in the image of God. I care about her as a fellow image-bearer and I hope she repents for her own sake. Calling her to repentance for her sin is loving.
You called it a mental illness. Is it an illness or is it sin? Is there any difference?
Posted on 12/21/20 at 3:19 pm to Revelator
quote:How do you know?
Because if she suddenly decided she wants to be a boy, God isn’t involved in her decision.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 3:22 pm to Korkstand
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Because if she suddenly decided she wants to be a boy, God isn’t involved in her decision.
How do you know?
Because God made us male and female. Not male, male v 2.0, female, female 3.0, gay-dominant, gay-fem, lesbian-dom, and the other 57 flavors of "gender" the left made up.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 3:25 pm to FooManChoo
quote:You make this distinction several times, but it only takes a very minimal amount of critical and objective thought to realize that there is no distinction.
not because they are ours, but because they stem from the God of truth.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 3:27 pm to Korkstand
If your internal thought processes can supersede verifiable external factual science for gender then why can the same not be true for every other aspect of being?
I’m confused. Gender is based on genetic science and yet you have no issue with it.
If I choose to identify as a 70 year old why would you be against granting me the freedom to live my own life?
Sure I may have only been on earth 30 years but I know in my heart I’m 70. Or 13. How can you argue with me? How is that different?
Similarly, every single cell in Ellen Paige’s body is a genetically female XX chromosome pairing but she knows she’s a man.
Someone choosing to live like a man and someone forcing the legal system to treat them as the gender they choose are two complete separate things. And that’s important.
How about gender classifications in sports? Education? Etc? Are they simply going to disappear forever?
Can any male athlete decide to compete in women’s sports if they want to?
It’s not a crime for two 15 year olds to have sex. It is a crime for a 50 years to bang a 15 year old. What if he’s transaged?
Every single law that is based around age, gender, or race.
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Social security and other age-related issues are based on time and have nothing to do with freedom or individuality.
I’m confused. Gender is based on genetic science and yet you have no issue with it.
If I choose to identify as a 70 year old why would you be against granting me the freedom to live my own life?
Sure I may have only been on earth 30 years but I know in my heart I’m 70. Or 13. How can you argue with me? How is that different?
Similarly, every single cell in Ellen Paige’s body is a genetically female XX chromosome pairing but she knows she’s a man.
Someone choosing to live like a man and someone forcing the legal system to treat them as the gender they choose are two complete separate things. And that’s important.
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And I don't know how you're making the leap that a person having the freedom to be themselves will somehow lead to crimes involving other people no longer being crimes. There's a clear delineator there where another person is involved.
How about gender classifications in sports? Education? Etc? Are they simply going to disappear forever?
Can any male athlete decide to compete in women’s sports if they want to?
It’s not a crime for two 15 year olds to have sex. It is a crime for a 50 years to bang a 15 year old. What if he’s transaged?
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So what legal obligations are you worried about being a problem?
Every single law that is based around age, gender, or race.
This post was edited on 12/21/20 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 12/21/20 at 3:27 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Because if she suddenly decided she wants to be a boy, God isn’t involved in her decision.
How do you know?
quote:
Korkstand
Posted on 12/21/20 at 3:33 pm to Korkstand
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How do you know?
Because in God’s word, having sexual attractions to people of the same sex and then acting on it, is sin. And God isn’t the author of sin.
He’d no more urge someone to have sex with a person of the same sex as he would urge someone to steal.
This post was edited on 12/21/20 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 12/21/20 at 3:38 pm to Nguyener
quote:It's not different, and nobody should give a shite how old you feel or how you live your life.
I’m confused. Gender is based on genetic science and yet you have no issue with it.
If I choose to identify as a 70 year old why would you be against granting me the freedom to live my own life?
Sure I may have only been on earth 30 years but I know in my heart I’m 70. Or 13. How can you argue with me? How is that different?
Laws have age limits because we just don't have a better way to measure maturity. You must be old enough to make decisions regarding your health (alcohol etc), and you must be old enough to have contributed to social security for a reasonable amount of time. It's not perfect, and I'm open to better suggestions.
quote:What parts of the legal system treat men and women differently? I will almost certainly argue that everyone should be treated equally regardless of gender/race/etc.
Similarly, every single cell in Ellen Paige’s body is a genetically female XX chromosome pairing but she knows she’s a man.
Someone choosing to live like a man and someone forcing the legal system to treat them as the gender they choose are two complete separate things. And that’s important.
quote:What's this got to do with the law?
How about gender classifications in sports?
quote:How are men and women treated differently here?
Education?
quote:That's a decision best left to the organization holding the event. Freedom.
Can any male athlete decide to compete in women’s sports if they want to?
quote:There you go involving other people again.
It’s not a crime for two 15 year olds to have sex. It is a crime for a 50 years to bang a 15 year old. What if he’s transaged?
quote:I think there should be no law that treats people differently based on gender or race. And until we have a better measure of maturity, we are stuck with age as a factor.
Every single law that is based around age, gender, or race.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 3:39 pm to Revelator
I don't care if freaks pretend to be the opposite sex. She can pretend she's a loaf of pumpernickel if she wants. However, she's can't expect everyone else to pretend along with her in her fantasy.
Tolerance means you don't go out of your way to cause someone harm, not that you pretend to go along. That is acceptance, which is asking too much.
Tolerance means you don't go out of your way to cause someone harm, not that you pretend to go along. That is acceptance, which is asking too much.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 3:41 pm to Revelator
quote:That's one interpretation. Other christians interpret it differently.
Because in God’s word, having sexual attractions to people of the same sex and then acting on it, is sin.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 3:47 pm to Korkstand
quote:They aren't being content. That's the point. Someone who feels like they are something other than what God made them is not being content with their circumstances. They are seeking to change their very identity in order to align reality with their sinful inclinations.
So let people be content in their circumstances.
quote:I am. I'm not the subject of this discussion, though.
So do that.
quote:She's a public figure embracing her public sin. She needs to be called to repentance and faith like everyone else. Her salvation is between her and God, but Christianity is a public religion and the call to salvation is public, meant to go to everyone.
Is that not between an individual and god? Aren't you failing the do not judge test?
Regarding judgement: Christians are supposed to judge righteous judgements (John 7:24). The call to repentance for sin is a necessary element of the gospel message. I don't think you understand what "judge not" actually means.
quote:I don't know if what she's dealing with is due to a mental illness or not, though I believe it could be. But mental illness may result in sin and they are definitely the result of a sinful world we live in and a reminder that we need to seek eternal life where sin is removed and we will be given new bodies that are free from imperfections.
You called it a mental illness. Is it an illness or is it sin? Is there any difference?
Either way, she needs to repent.
This post was edited on 12/21/20 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 12/21/20 at 3:50 pm to Korkstand
quote:There most certainly is a distinction. Christians are supposed to be conformed to the image of Christ, which includes an alignment with God's moral law through faithful obedience. Christians are sinners like everyone else, so we may not have right doctrine regarding the law and sin and we certainly don't act consistently with it at all times. It's why I want to impress upon you the idea that God's moral law is perfect and unchanging, because Christian's aren't always acting consistently with it.
You make this distinction several times, but it only takes a very minimal amount of critical and objective thought to realize that there is no distinction.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 3:52 pm to Revelator
Posted on 12/21/20 at 3:53 pm to Revelator
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We are truly a lost country when all a girl has to do to become a man is wear men’s clothes and say she’s one.
I’m never going to go along with this madness.
Thats ok, come on down to the local gym and use the mens dressing room. He can have a meat showdown and see how manly and secure he feels after that... Men use the communal showers. Come on in, the water is fine.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 3:57 pm to Korkstand
quote:That's not just one interpretation. That is the only consistent interpretation. Any other interpretation ignores historical context, grammatical context, and biblical context. It's the equivalent of a woman saying she's a man. You can say it, but it doesn't make it true.
That's one interpretation. Other christians interpret it differently.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 4:03 pm to Trevaylin
quote:vl100butch is going to have a problem with your generalization!
back in the old days we just called them butch
Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:16 pm to Korkstand
quote:
That's one interpretation. Other christians interpret it differently.
The Bible is very black and white about Homosexuality. Some people try to twist very plain words to mean what they want to justify their sins.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:18 pm to Revelator
That boy don't have the kind of daddy a kid needs.
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