re: Anyone have any Jimmy Swaggart stories?

Posted by Catman88

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Posted on 5/26/16 at 8:59 am to LSUTigersVCURams

My wife applied for a graphic design job there. They requested all sorts of religious info in the app. Are you saved? What is your ministers name. How often do you attend church.

Apparently it's OK for them to ask that. I think she was lost the job when she exed out minister and wrote priest.

Posted by fr33manator

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Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:11 am to bgtiger

One of Dino Rizzo's satellites then?

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Posted by Nado Jenkins83

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Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:22 am to jlu03

this was 02-06. you probably knew them all

Posted by BilJ

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Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:23 am to Bullfrog

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It's exactly the same as a restaurant preying on the hungry. Or a contractor preying on people wanting something built.

You see what your market wants, provide it well enough to earn repeat business and you earn a living.

uhhh....the examples above, a person pays money to receive a product or service. That isn't preying upon anyone.

Those businesses also pay taxes. Swag and his ilk run corporations that masquerade as not for profits.

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Posted by SlowFlowPro

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Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:29 am to BilJ

also

restaurants are clearly engaged in making profits

christian churches preach a gospel that is anti-wealth

Posted by Bullfrog

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Posted on 5/26/16 at 10:35 am to BilJ

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uhhh....the examples above, a person pays money to receive a product or service. That isn't preying upon anyone.

Broaden your view of product. The people sending $$$ are buying the stairway to heaven. And to feel good for helping the misfortunate.

It doesn't matter what happens to the money. The customer is happy.

Churches have to make a "profit" to keep the lights on, grow and pay for things. It may not be an IRS taxable profit, but it is an excess over expenses, if they are to remain open for business.

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Posted by BigEdLSU

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Posted on 5/26/16 at 10:39 am to Bullfrog

I mean the guy does have his radio station playing all over the world.... I guess some call it greed.... Seems like the kingdom advances to me.

I've listened to a few of his sermons. Can't disagree with his view on things.

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Posted by Boagni Swamp

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Posted on 5/26/16 at 10:42 am to BigEdLSU

In the early 80s, before his fall from grace, I unloaded trucks for UPS. We would do two to three eighteen wheeler trailers every morning. At times a good quarter of what we unloaded was Jimmy Swaggart tapes coming back from TV stations all over the world.

Posted by BigEdLSU

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Posted on 5/26/16 at 10:44 am to Boagni Swamp

You're going to have to help me along with this one. I don't get the point. I can be slow at times.

Posted by BilJ

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Posted on 5/26/16 at 10:45 am to BigEdLSU

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.. I guess some call it greed.... Seems like the kingdom advances to me.

what's the need to live in a mansion? Convincing people of small incomes to hand you their cash while you live a luxurious life doesn't seem like Christian values.

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Posted by Bullfrog

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Posted on 5/26/16 at 10:47 am to BigEdLSU

He can be a great evangelical entertainer and sometimes a musician but his world view is bizarre at times.

ETA: Like most of the time, now that l think about it.

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Posted by BigEdLSU

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Posted on 5/26/16 at 10:48 am to BilJ

Yeah it's not my place to judge but I think personally I'd keep it simple. I've never asked a pastor what their opinion is on church funded housing for themselves. It would promise to be an interesting conversation for sure.

Posted by BilJ

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Posted on 5/26/16 at 10:49 am to Bullfrog

I'm more disagreeing with claiming that restaurants are "preying" upon the hungry.

Comparing a con man to legitimate businesses is just a poor comparison. I mean congrats to Jimmy for preying upon morons and exposing tax loop holes to his advantage, but he's not someone I choose to respect or admire.

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Posted by Bullfrog

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Posted on 5/26/16 at 10:56 am to BilJ

Agree he is not someone I choose to put as a role model but he doesn't to force people to send money.

And maybe that's the con part for you. I tend to think they willingly decide to send $$$ to buy salvation as you willingly go somewhere to eat and spend $$$ for lunch.

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Posted by BigEdLSU

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Posted on 5/26/16 at 10:59 am to Bullfrog

To buy salvation? You don't understand the principle of tithing, and I don't mean that in an offensive way. Most people don't understand it.

Put simply, you cannot love both Jesus and money. Eventually you reach a point where money doesn't matter much to you at all.

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Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:20 am to BigEdLSU

accurate

Posted by Jim Rockford

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Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:38 am to soccerfüt

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Their people ended up in Ferriday after they got displaced off the small family farm by the agrarian mechanization of the 1910s & 1920s. Before tractors and combines, using horses & mules, a couple of acres of crops anually was all a farmer (and his family) could handle. In twenty years using new technology, farmer's productivity increased ten-fold. That meant prices for the commodities they produced went down and then a bunch of small farms and farmers (Swaggart, Lewis and Gilley's forebearers included) were no longer economically viable. They had to sell out or they simply walked away from mortgaged farmland and went to the towns or cities.

There used to be abandoned farmhouses all over the place in rural Louisiana. People would just walk away, like you say. My grandfather used to explore these places and would find all kinds of stuff. Furniture, books, you name it. He found a diamond ring once. They're all gone now, fallen down or torn down.

Posted by Peazey

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Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:41 am to Bullfrog

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And maybe that's the con part for you. I tend to think they willingly decide to send $$$ to buy salvation as you willingly go somewhere to eat and spend $$$ for lunch.

That isn't how any of this works.

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It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Saying that he is just a businessman that fills a role is like saying that chop shop financial brokerage firms like Stratton Oakmont are just providing a service. Both are using dishonest methods to fleece people out of their money. Both are motivated by personal enrichment at any cost. It is justifying a thief.

There's a moral way to conduct business in which one party honestly represents their product and a transaction takes place between two adults. Then there's what people like Swaggart do which is representing a business as a charity and taking advantage of tax loopholes.

I think the implication of what you are saying is that it is impossible to have unethical business practices, which is absurd.

This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 11:44 am