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re: Anyone Ever Divorce a BiPolar Spouse

Posted on 12/4/23 at 7:17 pm to
Posted by LSUandAU
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 7:17 pm to
Yes, and it's all the more reason to document it and keep her (in my case) from being primary custodial parent and really messing up your children.
Posted by TigerGman
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:11 am to
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Bipolar suddenly? Consider illicit drugs instead.


You don;t know what you're talking about. It starts suddenly and out of nowhere.
Posted by SpotCheckBilly
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:29 am to
A Bi-polar spouse is the death of many marriages. The condition may not show initially and the swings may not be as severe initially, but it can get so severe that involuntary treatment is required before the spouse hurts someone or his or herself.

I don't think I could deal with a bi-polar spouse for long, especially with kids in the picture, but some do. It's not that uncommon.

In my experience, the meds do keep the patient out of the ditches, but they don't like taking them, especially in the manic phase. And, they will pretend to take them instead of taking them.

Divorce is divorce, just document things and if there is a medical diagnosis, use it.
Posted by TigerGman
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 8:08 am to
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Divorce is divorce, just document things and if there is a medical diagnosis, use it.


Would you leave your spouse if she had Cancer or early Alzheimer's?

Bipolar is a disease like any other. Only a coward abandons a sick spouse...
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 8:11 am to
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Would you leave your spouse if she had Cancer or early Alzheimer's?

Bipolar is a disease like any other. Only a coward abandons a sick spouse...


OP stated later in this thread that the husband refuses to get treatment. Being with someone who has Bipolar I who will not take meds or be assessed can be a nightmare. You don’t have to light yourself on fire to keep someone else warm.
Posted by TigerCoon
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 8:15 am to
wife is off her meds
husband is sick of her shite
get lawyered up, baw
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 8:19 am to
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My best friend did it twice with the same woman. She finally spiraled out of control enough he said frick it. Was a total disaster. Sad part is she was perfectly delightful on her meds. Part of the endless cycle of being a shite show, getting on meds, showing improvement, thinking you don't need meds, being a shite show. Rinse and repeat.
And we all know, thanks to social media, “If your best friend couldn’t handle her at her worst, he didn’t deserve her at her best.”
Posted by TigerGman
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 8:35 am to
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Being with someone who has Bipolar I who will not take meds or be assessed can be a nightmare.

So? there are no meds for Alzheimer's either.
Get them committed and force meds on them and check them daily to stay on them.

Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 8:48 am to
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You don;t know what you're talking about. It starts suddenly and out of nowhere
Substance induced mood disorder should always be in the differential. Bipolar is overdiagnosed and drug abuse often overlooked.
Posted by Supermoto Tiger
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 8:54 am to
My ex-fiancée checked all the boxes of BiPolar but never was officially diagnosed. On top of that, she was a heavy drinker.
Her mood swings were off the charts. This was my first experience with this. We dated for about 2 years. At least 1-2 times a month, she would blow up. Thankfully, the last time it happened, she threw the ring at me and I put it in my pocket and told her to move out.
Posted by TygerTyger
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:00 am to
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Would you leave your spouse if she had Cancer or early Alzheimer's?

Bipolar is a disease like any other. Only a coward abandons a sick spouse...


Agreed, and disagree. My wife is bipolar and we've been married 13 years, so I think I can speak from a place of experience.

YES, mental illness is a disease just like cancer, MS, or tuberculosis. And they are no more at fault for having bipolar than a person with one of these other diseases.

BUT, if there is a medication that will prevent the symptoms of a disease, lessen the suffering, and keep the person from getting worse and it affecting the whole family, and the person refuses to take it, then there comes a time when you may have to draw a line in the sand.

Imagine taking care of a cancer patient and the meds they take keep the cancer in remission. But they refuse to take the meds, the cancer comes back, the family is thrown in to chaos, the person can't work so your income drops, you spend countless hours taking care of them from the terrible symptoms of the cancer, and you worry your arse off and are stressed to your limit.

You plead with the person to take the cancer meds and they finally agree and get back on the meds. THings get better. For a while life is awesome. Even though you have to recover from the financial hit and maybe even repair some relationships with friends or employers from the episode.

Then, with no warning, they stop taking the cancer meds again and the cycle repeats.

How long should you put up with that? Are you really a "coward"? After all you've done for them, you're a "coward'? NAH, you gotta be there to help someone, but they have to do their part too.

In the 13 years I've been with my wife up until this January she'd only had 2 episodes. The first was when we were engaged and she was graduating from LSU with her masters. The stress got to her and she went manic. Luckily her parents picked up on it and we were able to keep her stable enough to graduate and get through all that pomp and circumstance.

The second was a few years later when the stress of leaving her job to start with a new doctor (she's a PA) hit her. She was feeling really guilty about it and it manifested as a manic episode. I picked up on it quickly and was able to get her to take the meds that knocked her out and "reset" her brain. It was super quick with no repercussions.

Then, this year, after YEARS of stability she had two episodes. One in Jan-Feb that came on slowly and took me a while to recognize but when I told her I thought she was manic she agreed to up her meds and we shut it down. SHe did miss 3 weeks of work though and there was some other fallout.

We thought we were home free for another 11 years or so. But in May she had another and it was the worse one yet. The thing that made this one so bad, and brought me close to my breaking point was that in the past she had always been trusting and cooperative with her treatment. This time she refused to take any meds, lied to me and her doctor, avoided me at all costs, and was very secretive. I was forced to read her texts and emails, something I never do, to make sure she wasn't saying or doing something she would later regret, or worse, something that I couldn't forgive.

It lasted 4-5 weeks. I was more stressed and worried and angry than I've ever been. I actually looked in to a divorce lawyer. I didn't want to, but had she done something like cheat on me, it would have been a bell that can't be un-rung.

Thank God she didn't cheat or do anything unacceptable. But she was delusional and believed she was leaving me and going to marry the guy she had dated before me. She never contacted him, never took any steps towards another man. But in her brain it was what was happening. I finally got her to take the meds needed to bring her out of it. But in the process I lost an aquaintence over it (not a friend because a friend would understand) and her psychiatrist fired her as a patient. The doc said she couldn't work with a patient that refused treatment.

SO we had to find a new doc. And she got on a new medication. And I actually was able to diagnose what caused this rapid cycle. She's 48 and is pre-menopausal. Her body chemistry changed and the meds she was taking stopped working.

Things are better now and in some ways better than ever. And I didn't leave her in her time of need. So by your definition I'm no coward.

BUT, after all that I just typed, and all I went through, had she actually cheated on me, would I be a coward if I said "that's it, I'm done"?
Posted by SpotCheckBilly
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:12 am to
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Would you leave your spouse if she had Cancer or early Alzheimer's?

Bipolar is a disease like any other. Only a coward abandons a sick spouse...


bullshite, total bullshite. Bipolar syndrome is treatable and manageable, but only if the person is willing to do the treatment. It's a completely different situation and yes, I would leave a bipolar spouse if the spouse refused to responsibly deal with it, which happens often.

I would do so to protect myself and my kids.
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:14 am to
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but it can get so severe that involuntary treatment is required


Maybe it's an easier process if you're a spouse and requesting involuntary treatment for someone suffering from an episode but it's difficult to get someone committed. Quite honestly if an adult is bipolar and doesn't wish to commit to treatment or take responsible steps to manage their condition then it's an unmitigated train wreck and little else that anyone can do but standby and watch. My relationship with a close family member is non-existent at this point due BP and it's the most difficult thing I deal with in my life and see how it crushes the person suffering from it.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:14 am to
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Get them committed and force meds on them


This isnt reality.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260947 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:16 am to
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Sister In Law has this problem.


Borderline personality disorder can mimic bipolar behavior.

Bipolar can be dealt with if they take meds, BPD is just shitty behavior that will never change.
Posted by SpotCheckBilly
Member since May 2020
6512 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:17 am to
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Get them committed and force meds on them


This isnt reality.


What's unreal about it? Call the county sheriff, they will send folks out to evaluate the situation and, if the person meets the criteria, they will involuntarily commit the person to a hospital wing and pump them full of chemicals until they convince the doctors that they are no longer a threat to themselves or others.

It is a drastic step, but it happens.
Posted by tadman
Member since Jun 2020
3830 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:20 am to
I have seen a couple close friends and family members go through this. There is no mincing words: it is extremely hard for anybody involved. Family, friends, supporters, either side.

I sincerely wish I had better advice than a heavy emphasis on therapy and meds but I don't. I have not seen any firsthand situations where things worked out. That's not to say there can't be situations where things work out, but I haven't seen any.

My advice based solely on the handful of personal cases is "get out now". That's not good advice because it doesnt' account for the other possibilities, so perhaps the non-bilpolar spouse should seek their own counseling first.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260947 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:23 am to
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What's unreal about it? Call the county sheriff, they will send folks out to evaluate the situation and,


Depends on the State, but most require an imminent threat first.

Posted by SpotCheckBilly
Member since May 2020
6512 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:05 am to
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What's unreal about it? Call the county sheriff, they will send folks out to evaluate the situation and,


Depends on the State, but most require an imminent threat first.



I'm sure there is variation from one state to the next, but the determination is made when the deputies and counselor come out. And yes, they do not do an involuntary commitment to the psyche ward for just acting squirrely, but they do if they feel the person is a threat to himself or others and is not in touch with reality. It happens, probably more often than people think.
Posted by RocketPower13
Member since Jan 2017
2480 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:08 am to
My fiancé has had mental health struggles in the past, her parents were against medications, they want her on the hippie approach of Marijuana and micro- dosing, her dads a vet and micro-dosing works for his ptsd. She declined and chose to take her prescribed medication.

If I told her mom what meds she was on she would flip out, but medication truly help her. It's difficult for someone to recognize they have mental health issues, but she did BEFORE she met me and she's been the same amazing, rational woman as long as I've known her.

It's difficult to convince someone they have an issue, even if it's confirmed by a medical professional. They have to know it themselves. Similar with dementia, my grandma has bad dementia but she's aware enough to know it and won't travel or do certain things because she feels like she'll be a burden at some point.
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