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re: Anyone else watching the frontline story "Separate and Unequal"?
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:20 am to TutHillTiger
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:20 am to TutHillTiger
Great book on the topic that explains all of this.
Called a troubled dream the promise and failure of school desegregation in Louisiana. It was all Judge Parker's fault it appears, and 1981 was the D day. We were obviously some type of guinea pigs.
Maybe we were designed to fail.
LINK
Called a troubled dream the promise and failure of school desegregation in Louisiana. It was all Judge Parker's fault it appears, and 1981 was the D day. We were obviously some type of guinea pigs.
Maybe we were designed to fail.
LINK
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 1:37 am
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:53 am to TutHillTiger
I grew up in Central and graduated from there in 06. My question is why do I not remember there being such a backlash from BR about us wanting to incorporate?
I don't understand how people could not want better public schools... Property values skyrocketed in central after the incorporation due to so many people moving into the district
Now Central is in the top 5 I believe in districts in the state.
Why would people in St. George not want this?
During my 4 yrs at Central high I would say our demographics was 60/40 due to the m&m's ( minority to majority transfers) meaning that if you lived in EBR parish and were a minority the school system would bus you to a majority white school if your parents chose.
Now Central is closer to 90/10...
I don't understand how people could not want better public schools... Property values skyrocketed in central after the incorporation due to so many people moving into the district
Now Central is in the top 5 I believe in districts in the state.
Why would people in St. George not want this?
During my 4 yrs at Central high I would say our demographics was 60/40 due to the m&m's ( minority to majority transfers) meaning that if you lived in EBR parish and were a minority the school system would bus you to a majority white school if your parents chose.
Now Central is closer to 90/10...
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 1:56 am
Posted on 7/16/14 at 8:54 am to geauxcats10
The district atty says "the problem is that white people are leaving".
Am I missing something? If everyone is equal, why is this a problem?
Am I missing something? If everyone is equal, why is this a problem?
Posted on 7/16/14 at 8:58 am to Sir Drinksalot
quote:some people are naive.
Am I missing something? If everyone is equal, why is this a problem?
Some people say things to make headlines.
Nothing new here.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 9:01 am to meauxjeaux2
It is amazing me how both sides are dancing around the real issue; a truth.
White people provide most of the money and the well behaved children.
Why not focus on the real problem. The fact that everyone is relying on the middle class/white people, and excusing the blacks from taking and taking and not giving back.
White people provide most of the money and the well behaved children.
Why not focus on the real problem. The fact that everyone is relying on the middle class/white people, and excusing the blacks from taking and taking and not giving back.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 9:03 am to Sir Drinksalot
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Why not focus on the real problem. The fact that everyone is relying on the middle class/white people, and excusing the blacks from taking and taking and not giving back.
How do you propose forcing "takers" to "give back"? What are we going to do, force them to be good parents? Take their children away from them? How do you make parents who don't want to parent parent? How do you convince children who have no desire to learn to learn? Do you give up on them to save the rest? Do you motivate them somehow?
Posted on 7/16/14 at 9:05 am to kingbob
Exactly!!!
These are the questions both sides should be asking. Not bitching and fighting over the "white resources" that aren't thick enough to stretch over the whole city.
These are the questions both sides should be asking. Not bitching and fighting over the "white resources" that aren't thick enough to stretch over the whole city.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 9:07 am to kingbob
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Do you give up on them to save the rest?
yes.
"The world needs ditch diggers, too"...Judge Smails to Danny in Caddyshack
Posted on 7/16/14 at 9:07 am to kingbob
lots and lots of tax payer paid for birth control and condoms
Posted on 7/16/14 at 9:08 am to tigerinthebueche
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Do you give up on them to save the rest?
yes.
But how do you differentiate between those who need to be given up on and those who just need a little extra push? Who makes that call?
Posted on 7/16/14 at 9:09 am to kingbob
quote:
But how do you differentiate between those who need to be given up on and those who just need a little extra push? Who makes that call?
Thunderdome
Posted on 7/16/14 at 9:13 am to kingbob
Teachers and schools can only do so much. Teachers do not believe in giving up on ANY child. But damn, they can only do so much.
Kip and the together campaign need to be out in the streets talking to the blacks, helping them to solve their own issues.
Can you imagine being ok with being reliant on another race?! They are going backwards in their journey to equality.
I don't mean to make it a race issue, but it seems to be understood by both sides that whites=money and good kids.
Kip and the together campaign need to be out in the streets talking to the blacks, helping them to solve their own issues.
Can you imagine being ok with being reliant on another race?! They are going backwards in their journey to equality.
I don't mean to make it a race issue, but it seems to be understood by both sides that whites=money and good kids.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 9:16 am to Sir Drinksalot
quote:truth is,the money taken is given to appease the masses.
It is amazing me how both sides are dancing around the real issue; a truth.
If not for that it would virtually be a war on the haves by the have nots.
It's like giving a pacifier to a baby. Baby can't help that it cries.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 9:18 am to meauxjeaux2
When the have nots are approaching the point where they are more than the haves, there is an even bigger problem.
I am disgusted with this.
I am disgusted with this.
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 9:19 am
Posted on 7/16/14 at 9:21 am to Sir Drinksalot
quote:not even close. I feel your frustrations but i wouldn't trade my quality of life no matter what for theirs. You wouldn't either. the money taken from us is pretty much for our own security to put it bluntly.
When the have nots are approaching the point where they are more than the haves, there is an even bigger problem.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 9:27 am to kingbob
quote:
But how do you differentiate between those who need to be given up on and those who just need a little extra push? Who makes that call?
You don't. They (and their parents) do it themselves.
Its like being fired. I never fired anyone. They always fire themselves. I just make it official. Its not the teacher, school, or community's responsibility to decide who is successful and who isn't. That is a choice made by the individual (or his/her parents). The sooner we accept this, the sooner we can move on.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 9:27 am to meauxjeaux2
quote:
When the have nots are approaching the point where they are more than the haves, there is an even bigger problem.
not even close. I feel your frustrations but i wouldn't trade my quality of life no matter what for theirs. You wouldn't either. the money taken from us is pretty much for our own security to put it bluntly.
Benjamin Franklin had much to say on the matter"
quote:
I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.
quote:
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 9:30 am to kingbob
Alright, just watched the Frontline piece. Pretty good and fair piece I thought.
Seems like Baton Rouge motivation is strictly money and St George is they feel they can get better living.
Racism seems to be a secondary issue, but is going to be held up because it is a glaring fact.
I heard over and over how STG was going to take all of the good schools. Does not really make sense to me because the building isn't what makes the schools, it is the programs and teachers. Both programs and teachers will still be a part of EBRSB and they can institute it at another school.
Also, sort of seemed hypocritical that Kip said it was unfair for STG to take tax dollars for themselves that the whole parish contributes, when he did exactly that by accepting the annexations.
Seems like Baton Rouge motivation is strictly money and St George is they feel they can get better living.
Racism seems to be a secondary issue, but is going to be held up because it is a glaring fact.
I heard over and over how STG was going to take all of the good schools. Does not really make sense to me because the building isn't what makes the schools, it is the programs and teachers. Both programs and teachers will still be a part of EBRSB and they can institute it at another school.
Also, sort of seemed hypocritical that Kip said it was unfair for STG to take tax dollars for themselves that the whole parish contributes, when he did exactly that by accepting the annexations.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 9:31 am to meauxjeaux2
But you are just accepting the fact that they are incapable. THEY ARENT.
That should piss you off.
When you have a problem, do you look to your neighbor to fix your problem? NO.
That should piss you off.
When you have a problem, do you look to your neighbor to fix your problem? NO.
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 9:33 am
Posted on 7/16/14 at 9:33 am to kingbob
well in that same regard, public housing was always and only supposed to be temporary. that has since changed as generations upon generations of families have grown up in public provided housing creating an accepted culture of it.
im on the fence about the whole issue. i see points of both sides.
im on the fence about the whole issue. i see points of both sides.
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