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re: Any pharmacists or child psychologists in the house? Question re: Lexapro

Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:35 pm to
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:35 pm to
Any SNRI or SSRI is going to have long term effects.


I'd do whatever I could to not go on those drugs,but that's just me.
Posted by dcbl
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:35 pm to
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you waited EIGHT YEARS to start intervention?
we have had her in therapy for 3 years

She is 8 years old, that is still pretty damn early

We have been prodded to try psych drugs since,she was 5, so 3 years

And yes, I HAVE been resisting drugs of any kind

You mention that medication is not a "cure all"; newsflash, the magic "cure all" does not exist

We have been,working with her for years, we are gonna try medication for 2 months

Einstein was reportedly autistic, he never had treatment...

Your reaction suggests that we have done nothing and have ignored the issue, that is absolutely not the case
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 10:05 pm
Posted by Bmath
LA
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:36 pm to
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i'd see a nutritionist. there is some promising work with gut biome, inflamation, processed sugar/carbs, ketogenic diet, etc. might take some serious research to find the right info.


Most of this research falls under the gut-brain axis and is only in its infancy. Therefore if you find several promising dietary studies, give each one a try over several weeks and keep a journal about key behavioral differences.

Full disclaimer, I am not a medical doctor but am finishing a Ph.D. studying microbial ecology. The field is pretty much the Wild West, and you should take many of the studies you'll find with a grain of salt. I think there is a lot of merit in prebiotic/probiotic treatments, however, bacteria on a species level are as different from one another as mammals are on a family level.
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 9:44 pm
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:36 pm to
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Some of those people will attempt suicide, therefore the claim is that it causes suicide. Correlation doesn't equal causation.


As sad as it sounds, some folks are so depressed that they don’t even have the motivation to commit suicide, but the antidepressants give them just enough motivation to do it.

Same with weight gain. They’re so depressed they don’t eat, so they take an ssri, which improves mood and subsequently appetite. The ssri is blamed for weight gain. (Although the weight gain is definitely another independent side effect).
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:41 pm to

Too young.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:41 pm to
What symptoms is your child exhibiting?

Aggression and social issues have been successfully treated with low dose propranolol in autistic individuals. It doesn't directly mess with brain chemistry like ssris. It's a blood pressure medicine and the main risks are low blood pressure and low heart rate.

If the aforementioned symptoms were what the issues were, I'd try propranolol before an ssri.

You may have to find a psychologist with experience with it willing to prescribe it for this. It's off label (not approved by FDA) but for the people it's worked for, it's been life altering (in a positive way).

To answer your actual question, I'd be hesitant to try an ssri in a young child. The suicidality is mostly a depression thing with a different mechanism than you'd see in autism, so I doubt you'd see that issue, but altering brain chemistry like that in a developing mind causes me pause.
Posted by dcbl
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:42 pm to
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Are there a few things she does that are socially inappropriate
probably the simulated masturbating in public would be the biggest...

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ABA therapy didn’t work for us
doc did say that was an,alternative but also mentioned that it was very expensive (and time consuming, think every day for months),and has a very low success rate

Also, not covered

We have spent thousands on shite my wife wanted to try already...

Posted by Bmath
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:43 pm to
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Your reaction suggests that we have done nothing and have ignored the issue, that is absolutely not the case


No, it was just the way that you phrased your opening statement that led me to that conclusion. However, I provided the caveat that I had not read beyond the OP to see if you provided further details.

My wife has a specialization in special education and has worked with spectrum students. She had a case several years ago where she had an older autistic child with parents trying to force him into a "normal" classroom without intervention. The whole situation was incredibly sad.
Posted by dcbl
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:43 pm to
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CrimsonTideMD
thank you, I really appreciate your insight
Posted by dcbl
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:46 pm to
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So far hes doing good in his first year of high school, hopefully he keeps it up.
awesome

Glad to hear that and hope so too
Posted by Bmath
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:47 pm to
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Same with weight gain. They’re so depressed they don’t eat, so they take an ssri, which improves mood and subsequently appetite. The ssri is blamed for weight gain. (Although the weight gain is definitely another independent side effect).


I disagree with this assessment. My weight has been on a roller coaster for about 10 years. I've never felt hunger like when I started taking an SSRI last year.
Posted by dcbl
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:47 pm to
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understand your concerns. I’m sure you’ll make the right decision for your family. But what if this drugs helps your daughter find a little peace and joy? I don’t know the right answer. But some of these medications help. What if it helps? What if it helps the whole family. I don’t think you’re “drugging” her up. What if a medicine helps her wiring work better?
thank you

And this is my real hope, we're trying it

Thx
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:49 pm to
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As sad as it sounds, some folks are so depressed that they don’t even have the motivation to commit suicide, but the antidepressants give them just enough motivation to do it.


This is basically the mechanism for the suicide risk. Depressed people want to kill themselves but don't have the energy or motivation to do so. With ssris, energy and motivation return before the mood improvement. Ergo, they now have the motivation to move forward with any plans they may have had.
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13681 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:53 pm to
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probably the simulated masturbating in public would be the biggest


ABA therapy might work for this. Our kid is just so challenged regarding communication that it didn’t work. Like a stroke patient with both receptive and expressive aphasia.

Her “stimming” is more flapping her arms in the air, as opposed to what you’ve described.
Posted by dcbl
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:54 pm to
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quote:
I may even divorce over this
woah man,you need to relax.


lol

Thx

That was typed in anger
Posted by manshipbk
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:55 pm to
Why the need to make sure he has smart sons too?
Posted by HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Member since Jul 2011
29651 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:57 pm to
I was on lexapro for a few months and I was emotionally numb. Never laughed, never cried, never got scared or excited.

I’d stay away from that shite.

Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13681 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:58 pm to
My wife would divorce me if I made her home school my daughter. School is the only respite she has from the crazy behavior that she deals with while I’m at work.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18681 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:06 pm to
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I was on lexapro for a few months and I was emotionally numb. Never laughed, never cried, never got scared or excited.

I’d stay away from that shite.


We all have slightly different physiologies. Hence why we all react differently to various medications. It's exactly why you have to watch someone closely when they start a new treatment.
Posted by dcbl
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Member since Sep 2013
29720 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:07 pm to
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My wife would divorce me if I made her home school my daughter. School is the only respite she has from the crazy behavior that she deals with while I’m at work.
and my wife is staying at work...

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