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re: Any of you D.I.Yers ever build without a permit?
Posted on 9/18/15 at 7:33 pm to Hammertime
Posted on 9/18/15 at 7:33 pm to Hammertime
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The inspector I hired when I bought my house missed plumbing, electrical, and HVAC stuff all over the house and shop that was blatantly obvious. I noticed multiple things he didn't see, and I'm not a contractor
Yea and if you read the disclosures you sign when you hire them you would realize how hard it is to successfully sue one of them. It's crazy really.
Posted on 9/18/15 at 7:36 pm to cleeveclever
I wouldn't worry to much about it.
About the only card the city can hold over you is the approval to the electric company to get a meter. If the work you are doing doesn't require a new meter there isn't much they can do.
I suppose there are extreme circumstances where they could seize the property and/or get your power shut off but I don't see how unless the structure was condemned.
I find it comical that the city even pretends the inspection process means anything when the first thing they have you do is sign a hold harmless agreement when you apply for a permit. They hold no responsibility for the fitness of the structure for any approval or denial of any inspection whatsoever.
About the only card the city can hold over you is the approval to the electric company to get a meter. If the work you are doing doesn't require a new meter there isn't much they can do.
I suppose there are extreme circumstances where they could seize the property and/or get your power shut off but I don't see how unless the structure was condemned.
I find it comical that the city even pretends the inspection process means anything when the first thing they have you do is sign a hold harmless agreement when you apply for a permit. They hold no responsibility for the fitness of the structure for any approval or denial of any inspection whatsoever.
Posted on 9/18/15 at 7:41 pm to Hammertime
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This post was edited on 9/24/20 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 9/18/15 at 7:42 pm to cleeveclever
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our inspector never said anything about the addition
He wasn't going to cost the Realtor a sale because then he would never get another referral from them.
Posted on 9/18/15 at 7:45 pm to The First Cut
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a! You know little of history. You think any government body actually makes money on those paltry fees?
Like many people have already said, it's a money grab.
Posted on 9/18/15 at 7:49 pm to The First Cut
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You have x-ray vision to see the framing
Go inside the crawl space/attic, it will tell you most of what you need to know.
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electrical
Hire an electrician for an inspection.
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insulation inside the walls
Infrared heat gun
Posted on 9/18/15 at 7:57 pm to stout
I needed the house quickly, it was right in my budget, and is atypical for the area, so it'll be easy to sell. No structural stuff, and the home warranty took care of some of it.
It really was a waste of money though. Next time I'll bring in individual contractors to look at everything
It really was a waste of money though. Next time I'll bring in individual contractors to look at everything
Posted on 9/18/15 at 8:17 pm to stout
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It really is amazing what passes for inspectors. Both city/code enforcement guys and the independent guys. I have seen some that couldn't build a house out of legos much less actually enforce codes. I have also seen them interpret the codes to suit their little dick syndrome just to be an arse to people and make up for being picked on growing up.
fricking this. I get a fair amount of business from contractors just writing letters to this one dickhead inspector that has no idea what he's talking about on structural issues and loves to break everyone's balls.
Posted on 9/18/15 at 9:15 pm to fightin tigers
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My point was only that many permits are just a money grab.
Permitting is not a money grab, if you think $125 covers inspection costs and administrative costs you are sadly mistaken.
Posted on 9/18/15 at 9:18 pm to AUbagman
What a dumbass. You can't see inside the walls. Inspection is to uphold minimum standards. If you don't have that, well history will repeat itself again and again.
Posted on 9/18/15 at 9:19 pm to The First Cut
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if you think $125 covers inspection costs and administrative costs you are sadly mistaken.
That's for small jobs. They make plenty of money of off commercial jobs and new construction. At least they do here.
One Parish here turned everything over to a privately owned business that won a contract with the Parish to handle it. I guess that business is doing it for fun since according to you they aren't turning a profit.
Posted on 9/18/15 at 9:21 pm to Hammertime
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I got fined for putting my fence 19'8" from the sidewalk, when it is supposed to be 20ft.
This is a result of not getting the proper permit. This would have been caught when you submitted plans and at that point you wouldn't have been fined.
Posted on 9/18/15 at 9:21 pm to stout
Your solution is to not have building codes?
Posted on 9/18/15 at 9:23 pm to stout
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He wasn't going to cost the Realtor a sale because then he would never get another referral from them.
What kind of home inspectors and realtors all y'all hiring? My inspector shot down our first home choice, and my realtor was totally cool with it.
On the next house we got under contract, we knew there had been a garage closed in and no permit pulled because we had checked city records prior to the home inspection. Sure enough the floor framing and plumbing weren't good and the inspector called the homeowner out.
Would a permit have prevented the issues? Who knows? But not having a permit certainly raised flags on our end and we looked extra close at certain things.
This post was edited on 9/18/15 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 9/18/15 at 9:30 pm to The First Cut
I'm never for more absurd laws and the Gov telling you what you can do on property you own within reason.
Yes, you need standards to protect people on new construction and shitty contractors they hire but do you really need to tell someone they can't build a deck on their property? Do you really need to make someone pull a permit to have a portable shed delivered or to have a privacy fence installed?
People survived for many years without asking someone's permission to have a shed delivered to thier house. Why now?
Yes, you need standards to protect people on new construction and shitty contractors they hire but do you really need to tell someone they can't build a deck on their property? Do you really need to make someone pull a permit to have a portable shed delivered or to have a privacy fence installed?
People survived for many years without asking someone's permission to have a shed delivered to thier house. Why now?
Posted on 9/18/15 at 9:34 pm to The First Cut
What a piss poor counterargument.
History shows you are a moron.
History shows you are a moron.
Posted on 9/18/15 at 9:48 pm to The First Cut
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You can't see inside the walls.
It's amazing, all of these homes built outside of inspection jurisdiction are still standing. In government bureaucracy we trust! If you're knowledgeable about basic home building, you can spot issues without even stepping foot in a home.
What exactly are you wanting to see inside the walls? Stud spacing? You can measure that with a stud finder if you so desire.. Insulation quality? Hey, they make a sensor for that! Electrical? If there's faulty wiring, well guess what, you can check for that too!
Posted on 9/18/15 at 9:50 pm to cleeveclever
My neighborhood (north palm Beach, Florida) is extremely strict. With that being said I did French doors leading out to back porch and put up a side fence without permits. No big deal. I did have permits for obvious jobs like garage conversion to living area and a new roof.
Posted on 9/18/15 at 9:56 pm to The First Cut
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Your solution is to not have building codes?
Building codes are not created by the government, they are only adopted by municipalities. Permits are just a revenue stream. I don't need government to tell me build quality, as their standards are usually lower than mine anyway.
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