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re: Any HVAC Professionals here? [Updated - Evap Coil Pics pg 4]

Posted on 9/18/18 at 1:10 pm to
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 9/18/18 at 1:10 pm to
quote:

furnace and connecting plenum. Where you see the copper going in.


i'm sorry but i don't know what i'm looking at when i look at that picture. near where the copper pipe is running in? or where the condensate line is leaving?
Posted by Festus
With Skillet
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/18/18 at 1:10 pm to
quote:

You are using the wrong warranty company if they deprecate your system

It was the one purchased by my realtor, with his money, so I had no say so. But I assumed they all depreciated the units. I wish I would have known there are some that don't, because I would have forced him to buy that one. He even got me the upgraded warranty with this company. Still, depreciate the unit, and also cap off total exposure at I think $2200.

Pieces of shits.
Posted by JusTrollin
Member since Oct 2016
230 posts
Posted on 9/18/18 at 1:15 pm to
I wouldn't say that, flex duct in my book is a hack job.

Also it looks like a slab coil. Do we even know if its a lennox? Could have been changed before...

Also you have to unscrew the plenum & transition from the coil to get a look at it, thus rendering your ac inoperable for awhile. I recommend you call someone who knows what they are doing.
This post was edited on 9/18/18 at 1:17 pm
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
30170 posts
Posted on 9/18/18 at 1:47 pm to
quote:

Lennox A/C Unit loses 5-6lbs of Freon every 6 months.


That's a fairly significant leak. Once that is addressed, everything else may fall into place.

However, You should look to see where you evaporator pan discharge line goes. Not the overflow pan line, the actual one from the evap coils. It probably runs into one of your sewerage vent lines through a trap. It is possible to have that installed in a way that it overflows where it goes into the line due to blockage from algae buildup, I've had this happen. If that is the case, you may have 2 problems. If you go up there when it starts running and watch where the line goes into the sewer line, you b=can actually watch it happen.

Good luck
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 9/18/18 at 1:55 pm to
quote:

sorry but i don't know what i'm looking at when i look at that picture. near where the copper pipe is running in? or where the condensate line is leaving?



In the pic. Your coil is where the copper enters. The space between the furnace and the coil is just a sheet metal connection. The blower motor is in the large furnace. If you want to open up the coil to look, follow the copper and peak. It just takes a nut driver.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
66785 posts
Posted on 9/18/18 at 1:59 pm to
do i need to turn the unit off or kill the breaker to do that?


And thanks everyone for all the advice. I'm gonna go home and get pics of my evaporator coils. At 4-5PM my AC is running wide open. So we should see frozen coils maybe? And it'll certainly be dripping off that pipe.

This post was edited on 9/18/18 at 2:17 pm
Posted by Cajun Slick
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Member since Feb 2007
779 posts
Posted on 9/18/18 at 2:48 pm to
I had a leak like that in my 2007 Lennox inside evaporate coils. It was so bad that there was an oily residue in the drip pan. I just had the interior coils changed for around 1500$ rather than replace the whole unit. The inside coils can be tricky to access if the access panel was sealed with "the white goop". You'll know what I'm talking about when you see it. It's usually covering the sheet metal screws that hold the access panel on. You'll have to use a pocket knife to remove all that goop to even be able to put a socket on those screws. It's doable but is a pain in the arse. If there is any oily residue in the drip pan however don't even bother removing the access panel - your coils are leaking and will need replacing. Good luck
This post was edited on 9/18/18 at 2:50 pm
Posted by Areddishfish
The Wild West
Member since Oct 2015
6278 posts
Posted on 9/18/18 at 2:53 pm to
Lynn Blackwell with Cool Tech. 225-916-1500. I had him balance the system in the house we recently bought and to make the air uptake for our 4 ton unit more efficient. House cools so much better now and he doesn't rip you off like some companies do.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
66785 posts
Posted on 9/18/18 at 2:56 pm to
quote:

I had a leak like that in my 2007 Lennox inside evaporate coils. It was so bad that there was an oily residue in the drip pan. I just had the interior coils changed for around 1500$ rather than replace the whole unit. The inside coils can be tricky to access if the access panel was sealed with "the white goop". You'll know what I'm talking about when you see it. It's usually covering the sheet metal screws that hold the access panel on. You'll have to use a pocket knife to remove all that goop to even be able to put a socket on those screws. It's doable but is a pain in the arse. If there is any oily residue in the drip pan however don't even bother removing the access panel - your coils are leaking and will need replacing. Good luck


i'm going to check that out this afternoon. honestly, i just want to find the underlying problem, pay to have it fixed, and move on with our lives.

i've sunk $2k into this mess already.
Will need to put another $200 into sheetrock work to patch ceiling and one wall.
And whatever it costs to fix the underlying problem.

it's making me sick.


quote:

Lynn Blackwell with Cool Tech. 225-916-1500


he in the Spring / Woodlands, TX area perhaps?
This post was edited on 9/18/18 at 2:57 pm
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 9/18/18 at 2:58 pm to

You're in Houston?
Posted by Gorilla Ball
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 9/18/18 at 3:19 pm to
Nope. I’m aware of the one you are talking about - they have a dollar cap and age limits etc. tell your realtor and ask him/her if they got a kickback.
Old republic doesn’t deprecate the equipment
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
66785 posts
Posted on 9/18/18 at 3:20 pm to
yep. Cypresswood neighborhood in Spring, TX.

Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 9/18/18 at 3:24 pm to
Contact your real estate agent or Have your lawyer do it. The previous owners are responsible for this problem of you only nought it a year ago
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
66785 posts
Posted on 9/18/18 at 3:34 pm to
Ryno. I have no idea if you are being sincere or not.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
65697 posts
Posted on 9/18/18 at 3:39 pm to

Honestly, I was going to suggest pretty much the same. Call the builder or the installer if there is a sticker on the unit. Drill them on if there has been warranty claims relative to the same issue. It's easy to make some calls while you are doing your due diligence. You may be surprised at what you don't know if you don't ask. And make them answer.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
66785 posts
Posted on 9/18/18 at 3:53 pm to
hmmm. this does spark my interest.

further background. the previous home owner lived there 13 years with a wife and 2 daughters. complete cheap arse and slimeball from what my neighbor buddy has told me.

in 13 years the only upgrades they made to the home were paint 2 rooms hunter green and put down an ugly tile in the kitchen. he had a wife and 2 small children living in that house without a single fricking GFCI outlet. And never once labeled the Breaker box. How does a grown arse man not have his break box labeled? what do you do when you need to swap out a light fixture or outlet?

so it would not surprise me if he made a warranty claim on it and withheld some info.
This post was edited on 9/18/18 at 3:54 pm
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 9/18/18 at 3:58 pm to
Dead serious. Had a friend who sold his house in Chicago and 4 years later got sued and lost.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
66785 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:17 am to
Coils on outside unit:


See that hatch on the AC Handler of the attic portion of my A/C system:


The best pictures I could get from inside that hatch looking at evaporator coils:





any thoughts on how the evap coil looks or how my outside unit coils look? I honestly didn't see much in the way of what is supposed to look like a leak. Of course I couldn't see the entire evaporator coil and again am not an HVAC expert.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
43514 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:33 am to
the coil looks pretty clean
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
66785 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:33 am to
also found a guy an HVAC pro in the area with a great YouTube channel. Happened to call him up and shoot him straight, that I was clueless and had been given the run around by my Home Warranty Company. Super nice guy, called me yesterday evening and spent 15-20 minutes on the phone with me giving me advice based on my issues.

learned more from him in 20 minutes than i have anyone my POS Warranty Company sends out.

He agrees with most everyone here that it's definitely a freon leak causing the issues and since my system is a Lennox from 2012. He's confident that it is more than likely that Evaporator Coil without being there or seeing any pictures.

He suggested I call Lennox and find out if the original home owner registered the A/C Air Handler portion of my unit for a warranty when it was installed. If they did it'll have a 10 year warranty, if they didn't it'll have a 5 year warranty. Depending on when it was installed i may fall under both (because it could've sat in a Lennox warehouse a year or two). So i'm going to do that today. He says if it's under warranty they'll send me a new Evaporator coil for free. Then all I'll have to do is pay out of pocket to have someone install it (which shouldn't be bad $ wise) and then run a hydrogen based pressure test to ensure my system is sealed up for good.

This whole process has taught me 2 things:
1) Home Warranty and big HVAC shops are out to do nothing but rip people off.
2) I'm better off reaching out to the good folks of the OT and good ol boys in the HVAC industry who will give me honest answers for nothing because they've seen #1 too many times.

Again, I appreciate everyone's advice, help, and kindness.

I'm well over $2k into this problem. And it'll probably be another $1k to get it all resolved from what it's sounding like. I'm a new home owner. That's $3-4k I'd rather spend on a lot of things: painting rooms, new carpet for the 2nd floor, a security system, landscaping, etc, etc. This is super frustrating.
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