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re: Any baws had any problems with the 6.6L Duramax?
Posted on 6/3/21 at 8:22 am to Doctor Strangelove
Posted on 6/3/21 at 8:22 am to Doctor Strangelove
So take deleting totally out of the equation. It isn't necessary to do anymore, and you may not even be able to find anyone to do it at all. Same with lift pumps, power adders, partial deletes etc etc. No need for any of that. Buy and drive.
The new duramax is as good as they've ever been IMO. The truck as a whole is great. Diesel maintenance is more critical than with gas engines so as long as you're ok with staying on top of it than go for it. Reading this thread it seems like that's what you want, and "because that's what I want" is as valid a reason to get one as any other. The only way you'll be disappointed is if you have a major failure, and unfortunately that's just a chance you take with any modern diesel and the price you have to pay for all that sweet juicy power. If total cost of ownership is not your main consideration, you won't buy a gasser.
There are very simple things you can do to all but eliminate major "common" failures and they all involve maintenance habits and how you operate the truck. I'll post what I can think of later today if I get time.
The new duramax is as good as they've ever been IMO. The truck as a whole is great. Diesel maintenance is more critical than with gas engines so as long as you're ok with staying on top of it than go for it. Reading this thread it seems like that's what you want, and "because that's what I want" is as valid a reason to get one as any other. The only way you'll be disappointed is if you have a major failure, and unfortunately that's just a chance you take with any modern diesel and the price you have to pay for all that sweet juicy power. If total cost of ownership is not your main consideration, you won't buy a gasser.
There are very simple things you can do to all but eliminate major "common" failures and they all involve maintenance habits and how you operate the truck. I'll post what I can think of later today if I get time.
Posted on 6/3/21 at 10:39 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I think the OP needs to test drive the new 6.6L gas motor to try it out. It’s basically a bored out 6.0L vortec with direct injection.
It’s very powerful and extremely reliable. And it is designed for heavy work, so putting it under occasional strain shouldn’t be a big deal. And the gas motor isn’t a $10,000 option on the truck. And it is less complex, with likely lower maintenance costs.
The Duramax is an excellent motor if you need that extra capacity. But the new gas motor is a very good option for most buyers.
It’s very powerful and extremely reliable. And it is designed for heavy work, so putting it under occasional strain shouldn’t be a big deal. And the gas motor isn’t a $10,000 option on the truck. And it is less complex, with likely lower maintenance costs.
The Duramax is an excellent motor if you need that extra capacity. But the new gas motor is a very good option for most buyers.
This post was edited on 6/3/21 at 10:40 am
Posted on 6/3/21 at 10:40 am to Doctor Strangelove
get a 2008-2011, fantastic motors and no DEF at that point if you want to avoid it altogether.
Posted on 6/3/21 at 10:48 am to member12
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direct injection.
Do not like on gas motors. I wish they had just bulked up the 6.0 to about 7 liters or so and kept the architecture the same. Those things are bomb proof.
Ford hit a real home run with the 7.3. Pushrod port injected big arse V8 is what gas motors should be IMO. The 10 speed lets you keep it turned up throughout the speed range. That whole package is a different monster than old school 4 speed geared down HD gas trucks.
Posted on 6/3/21 at 11:14 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Do not like on gas motors. I wish they had just bulked up the 6.0 to about 7 liters or so and kept the architecture the same. Those things are bomb proof.
It is basically the same architecture. Just bulked up and with DI, improved better cooling, and much more output. It also lacks all the fuel saving crap that’s on the light duty gassers.
They are very good with DI these days...after about 20 years of experience with similar tech in the heavy duty diesels like the Duramax. It’s the right way to go if you aren’t trying to convert it to another fuel.
ETA: GM about to release a huge V8 gas motor that can be converted to LNG. The conversion needs might require that they use port injection. I don’t think it’s going in the pickups though. Just the medium duty rigs, buses, and the Navistar products.
This post was edited on 6/3/21 at 11:18 am
Posted on 6/3/21 at 11:56 am to Doctor Strangelove
Quick glance at the comments looks like Downshift has some good info to pay attention to. If you’re looking at newer trucks don’t worry about the CP4 lift pump.
I put airbags to level out the ride and help with the crappy LA roads. I do a lot of night driving too so leveling out the ride with bags really helps seeing at night and doesn’t blind others. When I’m fully loaded my camper is about 16k pounds. If I recall, the GCWR of my 2500 is 24k and I have been close to that a couple times I went thru the scales. Like I mentioned before, I’m more concerned about the rear axle/pin weight. I am really close to going over the rear axle weight rating.
The duramax is going to pull great, especially if you’re only looking at a 9k lb trailer. But, it’s not the pulling you need to worry about, it’s the stopping. And any close calls I’ve ever had were because other idiots cut in front of me. People don’t realize how hard it is to stop 20k+ pounds. Same idiots cut off big rigs without a worry not realizing they’re going to be dead if they have to lock up the brakes.
I’ve said for years that part of driver's education should be to put kids in a heavy load and have them drive straight up to speed and stop it so they can get a sense of what it takes. I plan to do it with my kids when they get their licenses.
I put airbags to level out the ride and help with the crappy LA roads. I do a lot of night driving too so leveling out the ride with bags really helps seeing at night and doesn’t blind others. When I’m fully loaded my camper is about 16k pounds. If I recall, the GCWR of my 2500 is 24k and I have been close to that a couple times I went thru the scales. Like I mentioned before, I’m more concerned about the rear axle/pin weight. I am really close to going over the rear axle weight rating.
The duramax is going to pull great, especially if you’re only looking at a 9k lb trailer. But, it’s not the pulling you need to worry about, it’s the stopping. And any close calls I’ve ever had were because other idiots cut in front of me. People don’t realize how hard it is to stop 20k+ pounds. Same idiots cut off big rigs without a worry not realizing they’re going to be dead if they have to lock up the brakes.
I’ve said for years that part of driver's education should be to put kids in a heavy load and have them drive straight up to speed and stop it so they can get a sense of what it takes. I plan to do it with my kids when they get their licenses.
Posted on 6/3/21 at 11:59 am to Doctor Strangelove
I have a 2018 - no problems whatsoever. Been a great vehicle.
Posted on 6/3/21 at 12:32 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Gassers have surpassed diesels in reliability and are quickly catching up in longevity.
This is surprising to me to be honest. I believe it though, as I’ve seen some people I trust recently buy 2500 gassers from Ram.
This post was edited on 6/3/21 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 6/3/21 at 12:44 pm to Dough
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it’s the stopping
I'll add to that the overall stability of the truck is the most important thing. Big diesel pickups are significantly heavier than their gas counterparts and don't get yanked around the road by the load like a half ton gasser will. Its a very significant difference with the duallies. The HD trucks are all going to have giant brakes and tow/haul modes that apply engine braking as needed. Most have trailer sway control which works wonderfully. Most can be had with factory optioned gooseneck/5th wheel packages. The whole package that you get today is incredible compared to years passed.
And the new diesels have fantastic exhaust brakes and powertrain logic. I have a 2018 cummins and its amazing how much stopping power the exhaust brake can apply. Going down steep switchbacks loaded at 25mph its incredible that you can hold speed without riding the brakes. The readout shows its making like 200 hp of resistance at times

Posted on 6/3/21 at 12:55 pm to Dough
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If you’re looking at newer trucks don’t worry about the CP4 lift pump.
What about a 2013 3500 HD?
Is that new enough?
Posted on 6/3/21 at 1:07 pm to LSUintheNW
I think that was one of the years that had the CP4 pump and no lift pump. Those are the ones that are most prone to failure. Good filter change habits will mitigate that a whole lot.
Posted on 6/3/21 at 1:42 pm to member12
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They are very good with DI these days
Everyone except Volkswagen seems to have GDI figured out. (And one could make that statement about a lot of automotive technologies.)
Posted on 6/3/21 at 1:58 pm to member12
We have several on the farm. Solid, but I’ll be honest, we have moved from diesel to gas in all the trucks. Easier to service for us.
Posted on 6/3/21 at 2:42 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Good filter change habits will mitigate that a whole lot.
Thanks.
If you have any other tips I'm all ears.
Posted on 6/3/21 at 2:59 pm to LSUintheNW
Well if youre truck does in fact have a CP4 HPFP and no lift pump (Google machine that) than half-interval filter changes and religious water draining is all you can do without modification. Its not a "definitely gonna fail" type thing but its a 6-9k dollar repair if it does. If it were mine, and it were out of warranty, and I planned to keep it for a very long time, I'd install an aftermarket high-end lift pump and water separator. Otherwise just make sure you change the filters at the recommended intervals with OE filters and drain the water separator regularly. Keep the fuel tank above 1/4 tank so the fuel temps stay cool to help prevent cavitation in the pump suction, which is what fails them. Pulling through a plugged filter causes the same thing. Water doesn't lubricate and that pump doesn't handle poor lubricity well.
Don't lose any sleep over it dude. Its a rare failure that gets blown way out of proportion on the internet. Just do the normal things to protect yourself and if you think you're going to keep it forever and its that specific model than it might be worth doing something if it bothers you.
Don't lose any sleep over it dude. Its a rare failure that gets blown way out of proportion on the internet. Just do the normal things to protect yourself and if you think you're going to keep it forever and its that specific model than it might be worth doing something if it bothers you.
This post was edited on 6/3/21 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 6/3/21 at 3:46 pm to Doctor Strangelove
I have a 2015 GMC Duramax pulling a 37’ Cedar Creek camper . Never had any problems. Can run with rest of them .
Posted on 6/3/21 at 3:54 pm to Doctor Strangelove
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I Could sure use the diesel to pull my camper and heavy equipment but I’ve been seeing some things
On the web regarding the problems with DEF systems, sensors and emissions controls. Anyone have any personal experience they can pass on before I pull the trigge
They had lots of problems 10 years ago dont know if it has changed since then. I had to delete my DEF on my Duramax because of problems. Also had injector problems on the 1st Duramax i had.
This post was edited on 6/3/21 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 6/3/21 at 10:48 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I want to thank all of you OT warriors for your input. It really helped inform my decision. I ended up getting a 2500 Siverado with the 6.6L Duramax. Many of my concerns were alleviated or diminished after reading your comments, especially Downshift coming in heavy with the technical details. Hopefully, if proper maintenance is followed I can avoid some of the issues I’ve heard of on earlier year models and have a vehicle that will tow my camper anywhere I want to go without having white knuckles on the wheel.
If for nothing else the OT is a great forum for these kinds of questions.

If for nothing else the OT is a great forum for these kinds of questions.

Posted on 6/4/21 at 7:20 am to Doctor Strangelove
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have a vehicle that will tow my camper anywhere I want to go without having white knuckles on the wheel.
Well you definitely have got that. I'm honestly surprised you found one. What trim? The bad thing about a diesel is that once you have one its really difficult to be without one afterwards. You get spoiled to it.
I recommend getting some type of gizmo that allows you to monitor a few things that the standard dashboard typically doesn't tell you, mainly the DPF operating status. You will want to know when the truck is performing a regen event so that you don't shut down in the middle of it. The builders wanted to make regeneration as transparent to the user as possible and they've done really well. It used to be a noisy stinky process but these days without a monitor you may not even know it's happeneing. The only reason we care is that while the truck is in regen the exhaust Temps get extremely high, and shutting down mid regen is bad for the turbocharger. If you arrive somewhere and the truck is in a regen, you'll want to deactivate it (with my Ram, that happens when I put it in park) and idle it for a few minutes to cool the turbo down. This isn't nearly as important as it used to be, but it still helps extend the life of the turbocharger.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 7:52 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I’ve been looking for several months and driving through dealerships only to see used trucks or a few new 1/2 tons and some work HD’s . I’ve been on a call list since December and haven’t heard from anyone. They are scarce. I ended up driving through a dealership about an hour away and found the Silverado HD with the LTZ package. There are fewer bells and whistles than my old truck but it still has some great features like ventilated and heated seats, leather, lots of towing goodies and 20” wheels. Since there were no choices I ended up with cherry red, which almost was a deal breaker! Thanks for all the info you posted, it made the decision much easier!
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