re: Anti-vaxxer sheriff's deputy dies from COVID-19 complications after mocking the vaccine

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Despite all of that, the odds were still well in his favor that he would survive the disease. But, he didn’t. Quite unfortunate.

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This is my point. As corrected by obtuse, his death is an outlier.

Also, I am not against people choosing to get the vaccine. I do find the push by big tech, the media etc. to be over the top, especially for those of us that have had Covid.

As noted, given his size (large gut / obese / morbidly obese - whatever), and occupation, he should have considered the vaccine.
However, given the very small possibility of him dying from Covid, I can also understand him putting it off at his age.

Him dismissing it outright, then dying is, sadly, ironic.

However, his passing is still a statistical outlier.

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For healthy people under 40?

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Look at his pic again. Additional diseases or not, that isn’t healthy. Fat is inflammatory and there was “less room” for his lungs to expand.

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Now if he had a pre-existing illness, not related to obesity, then ...

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That's my suspicion. Either that, or care was screwed up.

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For healthy people under 40?

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Yes, but the person in question didn't appear to be truly healthy anyway.

The chance of death by the vaccine is orders or magnitude less than dying from COVID in every group with significant data on. Some people argue they are betting on facts not in evidence yet which is a different discussion.

The younger and fitter/healthy one is the odds come closer together but the person in question appears to have a significant factor that increases his odds significantly of dying from COVID.

There is no dispute the chance of a 30 something dying from COVID even having one of the significant comorbidities is very low and hospitalization chances are also very low but the chance of either with the vaccine is significantly lower.

Some people bet the dog with money or their health, hell we almost all do that sometimes in life. The discussion would be far less contentious if people just admitted they were betting the dog for whatever reason but because it is illogical people won't admit to it.

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There is no dispute the chance of a 30 something dying from COVID even having one of the significant comorbidities is very low and hospitalization chances are also very low but the chance of either with the vaccine is significantly lower.

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I agree with all of this. I believe for many, myself included, there are concerns with the long term safety of the vaccines. In the short term, they seem to be a wonder drug. However, the frick ups by the CDC, FDA, Fauchi etc. are enough to give me pause.

My wife got vaccinated. I support her decision.
I didn’t (I already had Covid...which played a roll in my decision). Even so, I had my concerns with my missus. 33 year old me would probably not have gotten it...with or without having Covid.

The cop was dismissive, which makes his death ironic. Sad, but ironic. Peace amigos.

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Despite all of that, the odds were still well in his favor that he would survive the disease. But, he didn’t. Quite unfortunate.

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Though with life or death equations I do enjoy standards higher than simply “well in my favor.”

Dude was high risk. Covid was a larger risk than the vaccine based on his comorbidities. Roll in that he worked in a high exposure field and he decided to make a choice that put his family at greater risk of losing their dad and husband and then celebrated it publicly. There wasn’t any upside besides imagined cool points here as an obese man in a prison setting.

He should have the right to make bad decisions.... but we should also be able to say this was a bad decision.

I won’t take away his ability to be overweight or to refuse a vaccine - and I won’t celebrate his death- but I would encourage anyone at high risk reading this to think long and hard about what your family would do without you.

Don’t just plan to be a superhero and prep to defend them during a home invasion with stockpiles of guns and ammo, but also take the time to exercise, eat healthy, and if at high risk of medical issues address those with reasonable care. Just like you wear a seatbelt and lock your door at night.

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At this point w/ mAbs and remdesivir, Covid-19 shouldn't be lethal in a healthy 33y/o.

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Are we really looking at his full-length picture and arguing "healthy"?

In any case that is putting unreasonable expectations on medicine. It simply doesn't work that way. The therapeutics for COVID while better than Zero Day are far from great. Plus shite just happens, people aren't all the same. Over the years my wife has lost patients she shouldn't have. shite goes sideways on the table, or in PACU, or the unit or on the floor, or at home. On the other side she has confided she didn't want to do one of her cases the next day because the patient was going to die likely with her hands inside them. Some of those she still sees years later.

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Overweight people (aka - MOST of adult aged America) has had a mixed bag with Covid.
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His death is an anomaly...period.
Which is it? It can't be both.

A "mixed bag" does not equate to an "anomaly"

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Most does not = 33 years old. You are incorrect in what you thought I implied.

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I believe for many, myself included, there are concerns with the long term safety of the vaccines.

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This is obviously the facts not in evidence I was referring to.

This is MY risk benefit analysis on that.

We have over a year of data on the mRNA vaccines and not much longer on COVID itself. There are a number of people that are showing long-term effects post-COVID recovery and they surprisingly tend to be young very fit people (aka endurance athletes). It may be this group is simply better at noticing the symptoms (since they track power output both religiously and objectively) and may be more likely to relate this to their physicians. In any case, it is "interesting".

So I am left to bet on a novel virus with only a little over a year of post-recovery data that has shown lingering issues in at least some very fit/healthy individuals that is increasing likely to be a lab-created virus with unknown intended applications or bet on one of three vaccines that have over a year of safety data and have been almost universally taken by physicians who also recommend them to friends and family. Neither bet is 100% but one seems clearly more logical or safe than the other. Another individual may read the chicken bones in a completely different way.

I mainly enter these discussions to try to balance the posts that claim things like not a vaccine, changes your DNA and the real world implications of a EUA vs full BL. It is one thing to make an educated choice but quite another when a person's choice is based on factual disinformation. I have a feeling that had the officer in question had a close family member or friend who was a doctor and he trusted had he had a serious conversation with them he very well may have made a different choice.

In this case, I just hope the guy made an informed medical decision vs leaving his wife and child by making a non-medical based decision with little upside.