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Answers in Genesis tackles the thorny issue of distant starlight.

Posted on 1/4/18 at 1:36 pm
Posted by Slippy
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 1:36 pm
Granted, it's a major problem for them. So they come up with explanations of sorts. There is a steak dinner in it for anyone who can explain WTF this article is talking about.

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Some Christians have proposed that God created the beams of light from distant stars already on their way to the earth. After all, Adam didn’t need any time to grow from a baby because he was made as an adult. Likewise, it is argued that the universe was made mature, and so perhaps the light was created in-transit. Of course, the universe was indeed made to function right from the first week, and many aspects of it were indeed created “mature.” The only problem with assuming that the light was created in-transit is that we see things happen in space. For example, we see stars change brightness and move. Sometimes we see stars explode. We see these things because their light has reached us.

But if God created the light beams already on their way, then that means none of the events we see in space (beyond a distance of 6,000 light-years) actually happened. It would mean that those exploding stars never exploded or existed; God merely painted pictures of these fictional events. It seems uncharacteristic of God to make illusions like this. God made our eyes to accurately probe the real universe; so we can trust that the events that we see in space really happened. For this reason, most creation scientists believe that light created in-transit is not the best way to respond to the distant starlight argument. Let me suggest that the answer to distant starlight lies in some of the unstated assumptions that secular astronomers make.


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It is perfectly acceptable for us to ask, “Did God use natural processes to get the starlight to earth in the biblical timescale? And if so, what is the mechanism?” But if no natural mechanism is apparent, this cannot be used as evidence against supernatural creation. So, the unbeliever is engaged in a subtle form of circular reasoning when he uses the assumption of naturalism to argue that distant starlight disproves the biblical timescale.


https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/starlight/does-distant-starlight-prove-the-universe-is-old/
Posted by dfintlyHmmrd
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 1:38 pm to
Are you seriously trying to use the bible as scientific evidence?
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 1:39 pm to
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Slippy


What's up with you and this topic lately, Slip?
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 1:40 pm to
What created God?
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 1:40 pm to
That makes no sense.
Posted by TigerCoon
Member since Nov 2005
18861 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 1:40 pm to
Unified Theory of Everything.
Posted by bengalbait
Grove Lounge
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 1:43 pm to
Did Adam and Eve have belly buttons? the world needs to know.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 1:43 pm to
The root premise is false.

There is no God-the- father. its an anthropomorphic device used to control you ie god said x Therefore you do x.

The premise is part of the collective myths of non-oneness.

Tigercoon is correct.
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 1:45 pm
Posted by Walking the Earth
Member since Feb 2013
17260 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 1:43 pm to
Do you think God hates Mondays like the rest of us?
Posted by AcetylCoA
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 1:44 pm to
I hope that someone can explain this. I’m clueless.
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
19513 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 1:47 pm to
Their issue is around a universe that was created with the appearance of age.

Ex: The light from a star 20,000 light years from here took 20,000 years to get here, so the universe is at least 20,000 years old.
Posted by Walking the Earth
Member since Feb 2013
17260 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 1:47 pm to
Is it the entire Universe that's only 6,000 years old or just the Earth?

Seems like this would be a pretty easy one to explain. They should make me Pope.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 1:48 pm to
Acetyl look to unity to solve all proposed problems.
Posted by brouski
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 1:49 pm to
It's a bunch of hand-waving by a so-called physicist that's not worth getting your panties in a wad over.
Posted by HotKoolaid
Member since Oct 2017
444 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 1:51 pm to
I wish Christians spent half as much time explaining why god gives little kids bone cancer as they do explaining how god created the universe. Hopefully he's real so one day I get to meet that piece of shite.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13343 posts
Posted on 1/4/18 at 1:52 pm to
I'm not going to get into this again today, but if God created the universe, and the universe is expanding, then God created an expanding universe. How close were those stars when God created them?

2 Peter 3:8

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 1:58 pm to
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I wish Christians spent half as much time explaining why god gives little kids bone cancer as they do explaining how god created the universe. Hopefully he's real so one day I get to meet that piece of shite.



I often ask my mom and my nun sister this. I always get the answer that we gave it to ourselves by disobeying god in the garden of eden. Basically, god is punishing the sons for the sins of their fathers. What a scumbag.
Posted by Walking the Earth
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:01 pm to
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I always get the answer that we gave it to ourselves by disobeying god in the garden of eden.


All he did was eat a fricking apple.
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 2:02 pm
Posted by Slippy
Across the rivah
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:11 pm to
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Are you seriously trying to use the bible as scientific evidence?


No, quite the opposite. I'm trying to figure out how/why other people do. And the mental gyrations they go through in order to reconcile scripture with science has me at flummoxed.

And I am a Christian. But I refuse to flippantly disregard what the scientific method tells me in deference to a book. Any book.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:17 pm to
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creation scientists


Oxymoron

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