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Posted on 2/28/24 at 10:07 am to Eurocat
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They noted the bruises and other injuries found on her body when Mariah was brought to the hospital and later declared dead. The majority of their prosecution, however, rested on Lucio’s confession, the result of five hours of interrogation.
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I see her as a woman who had a hard life and many struggles, who could have been anyone in my community.
Excuses, excuses
Posted on 2/28/24 at 10:10 am to Eurocat
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I did not want to sentence her to death. I felt pressured by my fellow jurors to vote for a death sentence, but I wish I had never done so.
Posted on 2/28/24 at 10:13 am to GreenRockTiger
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God should take their lives, but they shouldn’t get 3 hots and a cot, cable tv, and a/c either.
So we just dump them in the remote Arizona or Nevada desert and let God take them?
Posted on 2/28/24 at 10:42 am to Eurocat
My compassion is for the victim
Posted on 2/28/24 at 10:43 am to Eurocat
Did she kill her kid or not?
Posted on 2/28/24 at 10:48 am to Eurocat
I was jury foreman on a murder 2 case that sent the guy to jail for life. Even though I thought it was the right decision I felt terrible afterwards. I imagine a death penalty case is even harder on jurors. This seems like a natural reaction to the weight of it, and I don't think we should shite on the foreman for feeling that way.
I also suspect the foreman's doubt is fueled by guilt in being "responsible" for the execution. I don't think we should lend unearned weight to their updated position because of that.
I also suspect the foreman's doubt is fueled by guilt in being "responsible" for the execution. I don't think we should lend unearned weight to their updated position because of that.
This post was edited on 2/28/24 at 10:51 am
Posted on 2/28/24 at 10:53 am to Snipe
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The death penalty is archaic and needs to be removed from judicial system. Along with abortion.
Wtf does abortion have to do with this? Stupid liberal retard
Posted on 2/28/24 at 10:59 am to TheAlmightySmash
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Either she did it or it happened under her supervision
But only one of those should result in death penalty.
Posted on 2/28/24 at 11:05 am to Eurocat
So did she do it or not? If she killed her child fry her.
And how does one get pressured into taking someone’s life?
You let other people dictate your decision on whether someone dies or not? I’m glad you live with regret. Soon you’ll live with the death of someone too. Have fun.
And how does one get pressured into taking someone’s life?
You let other people dictate your decision on whether someone dies or not? I’m glad you live with regret. Soon you’ll live with the death of someone too. Have fun.
Posted on 2/28/24 at 11:07 am to LSUcajun77
From wikipedia:
Mariah Alvarez was born to Melissa Lucio and Robert Alvarez in September 2004. Mariah was Lucio's twelfth child. Child Protective Services had previously investigated Lucio for allegations of child neglect, and they reported that Lucio's youngest children were often left in the care of their teenaged siblings. Lucio was addicted to cocaine and tested positive shortly after Mariah was born; this prompted authorities to place her children in foster care. Three older children went to live in Houston with their father, and Lucio regained custody of the others in late 2006.
On February 17, 2007, paramedics were called to the Lucio residence because two-year-old Mariah was unresponsive and not breathing. According to the Cameron County District Attorney's Office, Mariah was found at the home with signs of abuse on her body, including marks on her back, missing patches of hair, and a fracture in her arm. According to Lucio, Mariah had sustained the injuries when she fell down a flight of stairs two days earlier. It was later determined that Mariah's arm had been broken two to seven weeks before her death, and an autopsy also showed a head injury and bruising of the kidneys, lungs and spinal cord. The child was pronounced dead at a local hospital.
Following Mariah's death, Lucio was arrested and questioned for seven hours by Texas Ranger Victor Escalon without a lawyer present, and without receiving food or water. She admitted to having spanked Mariah, but denied ever having abused her, which she repeated more than 100 times. She was then told by Escalon: "Right now, it looks like you're a cold-blooded killer. Now, are you a cold-blooded killer or were you a frustrated mother who just took it out on [Mariah]?" He continued by telling her, "We already know what happened". After several hours of interrogation, Lucio stated, "I guess I did it. I'm responsible."
One of Lucio's sons was also questioned by law enforcement shortly after Mariah's death. In a video, a female officer asks the boy: "Did you see your sister fall down the stairs or did somebody tell you that she fell?" The boy then responded: "No, I saw her fall."
Mariah Alvarez was born to Melissa Lucio and Robert Alvarez in September 2004. Mariah was Lucio's twelfth child. Child Protective Services had previously investigated Lucio for allegations of child neglect, and they reported that Lucio's youngest children were often left in the care of their teenaged siblings. Lucio was addicted to cocaine and tested positive shortly after Mariah was born; this prompted authorities to place her children in foster care. Three older children went to live in Houston with their father, and Lucio regained custody of the others in late 2006.
On February 17, 2007, paramedics were called to the Lucio residence because two-year-old Mariah was unresponsive and not breathing. According to the Cameron County District Attorney's Office, Mariah was found at the home with signs of abuse on her body, including marks on her back, missing patches of hair, and a fracture in her arm. According to Lucio, Mariah had sustained the injuries when she fell down a flight of stairs two days earlier. It was later determined that Mariah's arm had been broken two to seven weeks before her death, and an autopsy also showed a head injury and bruising of the kidneys, lungs and spinal cord. The child was pronounced dead at a local hospital.
Following Mariah's death, Lucio was arrested and questioned for seven hours by Texas Ranger Victor Escalon without a lawyer present, and without receiving food or water. She admitted to having spanked Mariah, but denied ever having abused her, which she repeated more than 100 times. She was then told by Escalon: "Right now, it looks like you're a cold-blooded killer. Now, are you a cold-blooded killer or were you a frustrated mother who just took it out on [Mariah]?" He continued by telling her, "We already know what happened". After several hours of interrogation, Lucio stated, "I guess I did it. I'm responsible."
One of Lucio's sons was also questioned by law enforcement shortly after Mariah's death. In a video, a female officer asks the boy: "Did you see your sister fall down the stairs or did somebody tell you that she fell?" The boy then responded: "No, I saw her fall."
Posted on 2/28/24 at 11:08 am to jizzle6609
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I believe in forgiveness and I hope God provides that.
It's our job to arrange the meeting.
Posted on 2/28/24 at 11:10 am to GreenRockTiger
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I feel the same way. God should take their lives, but they shouldn’t get 3 hots and a cot, cable tv, and a/c either.
People rant ‘we have to treat them humanely’ but that convict wasn’t humane when he or she took that life
So you would have us starve them to death? Even if we might be wrong and they didn't commit the crime? That seems worse than killing them or locking them up
Posted on 2/28/24 at 11:30 am to CoachChappy
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A white liberal doesn't like the death penalty? Shocker!
Another conservative that has great faith in the jury system and the gov't in deciding matters of life and death.
Posted on 2/28/24 at 11:36 am to Aubie Spr96
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Another conservative that has great faith in the jury system and the gov't in deciding matters of life and death.
Now do January 6th
Posted on 2/28/24 at 11:37 am to TDsngumbo
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The death penalty issue, to me, is so fuzzy. I don’t believe that we should play God and choose when someone dies. On the other hand, if that was my daughter, I’d want the mom dead. Very tough issue for me.
It's in a weird philosophical place for me. On one hand, I'm opposed government sanctioned homicide, on the other hand I would be totally okay with some people dying.
Posted on 2/28/24 at 11:41 am to Epic Cajun
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It's in a weird philosophical place for me. On one hand, I'm opposed government sanctioned homicide, on the other hand I would be totally okay with some people dying.
Juries definitely get it wrong sometimes and innocent people have been sentenced to death before, which is pretty twisted.
However, death isn't really a punishment, as soon as it's over you aren't being punished at all. The punishment is how they administer the death.
This post was edited on 2/28/24 at 11:44 am
Posted on 2/28/24 at 11:46 am to CoachChappy
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white liberal doesn't like the death penalty? Shocker!
Cases like this remind me that regardless of the fact that our judicial system is far from perfect, there's no shortage of people who blindly think they get it right every time, to the point that potentially killing an innocent person is worth it to protect the system.
Posted on 2/28/24 at 11:47 am to Corinthians420
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However, death isn't really a punishment, as soon as it's over you aren't being punished at all.
There's that whole loss of life and liberty thing that most people seem to value.
Posted on 2/28/24 at 11:50 am to Eurocat
This is why nothing should be off-limits in a trial.. Prior bad acts, let em in.. Interrogations, let em in..If I'm deciding if a person lives or dies I wanna see everything.
I blame over zealous prosecutors for alot of this shite..See Duke Lacrosse team..OJ, Casey Anthony, etc...
I blame over zealous prosecutors for alot of this shite..See Duke Lacrosse team..OJ, Casey Anthony, etc...
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