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re: An evangelical/fundamentalist giant has passed away. John MacArthur.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 2:27 pm to bayoubengals88
Posted on 7/15/25 at 2:27 pm to bayoubengals88
I loved Johnny Mac. It was his radio broadcasts that this trucker heard, that took me from the elementary teaching of Charles Stanley to a graduate understanding of scripture. I recall attending my first Bible conference in order to hear him in person. That conference opened up a whole new avenue of Bible expositors: RC Sproul, John Piper, Albert Mohler, Paul Washer, etc
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 2:57 pm to RollTide1987
Macarthur was so rigid in his beliefs that he counseled abused wives to stay with their abusive husbands. And Paul Washer reveres him, and Paul Washer is a weirdo.
I'm not saying MacArthur is some kind of monster, but he did have his failings, and some of them were significant.
I'm not saying MacArthur is some kind of monster, but he did have his failings, and some of them were significant.
This post was edited on 7/15/25 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 7/15/25 at 3:19 pm to McLemore
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paedobaptism
Where where we’re they on paedocommunion?
Yes.
No.
Let the parents make the call?
Posted on 7/15/25 at 3:21 pm to Jim Rockford
quote:I would go further than you. Also, if he's currently in heaven, he'll no doubt be shocked by who he sees there.
Macarthur was so rigid in his beliefs that he counseled abused wives to stay with their abusive husbands. And Paul Washer reveres him, and Paul Washer is a weirdo.
I'm not saying MacArthur is some kind of monster, but he did have his failings, and some of them were significant.
This post was edited on 7/15/25 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 7/15/25 at 3:37 pm to Jim Rockford
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Macarthur was so rigid in his beliefs
That's what made him great. No compromise with societal trends. I disagreed with him on Calvinism, but that's about it.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 3:39 pm to 3nOut
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MacArthur, Piper, Chandler, and Sproul
Maybe good men, but all wrong on election and determinism. I'll never understand how such intelligent people can buy into the Augustinian error.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 3:49 pm to YouKnowImRight
quote:I used to be totally in their camp. Now, not so much. Probably more Lutheran on election, maybe Barthian. I'm still not sure.
Maybe good men, but all wrong on election and determinism. I'll never understand how such intelligent people can buy into the Augustinian error.
I believe that grace can in NO way be earned. However, even mere acceptance of grace seems to be a "work". That's my conundrum. What's the difference between those who place faith in Christ vs. those who don't?
Everyone rejects Christ. That's clear. Who accepts him, and why?
Posted on 7/15/25 at 3:56 pm to bayoubengals88
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Who accepts him, and why?
Free will, given to us because we were created in the image of God.
Determinism is built around the idea that the only way God can accomplish His will is to pre-determine everything. To me, that's a pretty limited God.
A God who can give everyone free will and still accomplish His will is truly omnipotent.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 4:00 pm to YouKnowImRight
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That's what made him great. No compromise with societal trends. I disagreed with him on Calvinism, but that's about it.
Do you believe that abuse is not biblical grounds for divorce?
Posted on 7/15/25 at 4:18 pm to YouKnowImRight
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Macarthur was so rigid in his beliefs
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That's what made him great. No compromise with societal trends. I
Jesus challenged authority and was more concerned with doing good rather than always following the “letter of the law” without regard for compassion.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 4:52 pm to bayoubengals88
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I believe that grace can in NO way be earned. However, even mere acceptance of grace seems to be a "work". That's my conundrum.
You’re starting to sound like a Thomist, and I’m not mad at it.
Also, I no longer consider anyone to be reformed that is a credobaptist, nor do I consider anyone to be a Calvinist that John Calvin would have burned at the stake. In other words, “reformed baptist” isn’t a thing in my mind.
ETA: you might like the new perspective on Paul literature. NT Wright, James Dunn, Matthew Thomas, etc. I think that might help you with the “work” conundrum.
This post was edited on 7/15/25 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 7/15/25 at 5:02 pm to bayoubengals88
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However, even mere acceptance of grace seems to be a "work".
No sir.
Do you work to receive a gift?
Posted on 7/15/25 at 5:07 pm to N2cars
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Do you work to receive a gift?
Exactly. If you’re a kid stuck in a well and God sends down a ladder, you’re not “earning” your escape from the well. You’re simply choosing to say “yes” to God, and you’re only able to do that because of his free gift. Every step up the ladder is still predicated on the gift, so it’s never you earning or working towards your own escape. Rather, you’re cooperating with the escape plan that’s only there because of Him.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 5:09 pm to N2cars
quote:If given to all (which I think it is), and only some take it while others don’t…what’s the difference between the two people?
Do you work to receive a gift?
Posted on 7/15/25 at 5:12 pm to bayoubengals88
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If given to all (which I think it is), and only some take it while others don’t…what’s the difference between the two people?
In my analogy of the kid trapped in a well, the difference is that one chose to get on the ladder while the other rejected the ladder altogether.
I think the conundrum is the looping of all works into one category, which historically Christians didn’t do. Works of the Law vs good works (which are entirely predicated on Grace).
ETA: this conundrum of yours truly is only resolved in the Thomistic system. Even your cooperation with Grace is first moved by Grace in Thomism.
This post was edited on 7/15/25 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 7/15/25 at 5:17 pm to bayoubengals88
A simple answer to the question...Yes or No.
You're making it harder than it is, because Man can't believe in the simplicity and Love.
You're making it harder than it is, because Man can't believe in the simplicity and Love.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 5:24 pm to saintsfan1977
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Someone burning in Hades.
Why do you believe that
Posted on 7/15/25 at 5:26 pm to Stitches
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nor do I consider anyone to be a Calvinist that John Calvin would have burned at the stake.
And one of my main objections to Calvinisn is its descent from a guy who went around burning people at the stake. Fruit of a poisoned tree and all that. Read a biography of Calvin and in a lot of ways he was straight evil. At the end of his life he was afflicted with some excruciating medical conditions, so he got a measure of justice in this world, regardless of what happened in the next.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 5:29 pm to RandySavage
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I've never understood how a Calvinist could also be a proponent of lordship salvation. They seem contradictory to me.
I was kinda shocked to learn that many folks believe a believer in Christ doesn't have to be a disciple of Christ.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 9:28 pm to grizzlylongcut
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Why do you believe that
I figure if you are spreading the word to make millions of money, you probably going to hell. If it weren't for the money, these charlatans wouldn't be spreading any words.
But there has to be a hell in the first place so, idk.
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