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re: America spends a lot more money on k-12 education than comparable countries
Posted on 8/11/19 at 1:13 pm to thejudge
Posted on 8/11/19 at 1:13 pm to thejudge
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Holy frick they rotate out computers ever two years
That's just bad management. Most schools run computers until they wont turn on anymore
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Posted on 8/11/19 at 1:14 pm to thejudge
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Blame tech companies and curriculum companies.
Holy frick they rotate out computers ever two years. Every class. iPads, promethium boards, the works.
How does the system force administrators to continue paying for new curriculum/software/resources? Is this by their own accord and poor decision making?
Posted on 8/11/19 at 1:17 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I would be willing to bet they have a higher percentage than we do of students and families that value education.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 1:17 pm to thejudge
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That and the cost of curriculum.
As a teacher, this is my biggest issue. The target never stops moving. They roll out a new curriculum and proclaim that “this is it”. Now, teach this material in this way using these resources, and those all important test scores will soar. A few years later, when they don’t, everything is scrapped, and a new “solution” is introduced at a cost of millions per district per subject area. Teachers, wipe the slate clean and start over. You have to do better. Rinse, repeat, until you want to pull your hair out.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 1:23 pm to SantaFe
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I now work in engineering/construction and it is like a vacation compared to teaching.
You’re not allowed to say this on the OT (or anywhere else, really). All teachers do is complain, and they have a very easy job compared to private sector workers.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 1:24 pm to Klark Kent
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but they are often required to buy their own supplies nowadays, which seems unfair
What supplies do they have to have that they are buying?
I have a few family members that are teachers and usually it isnt stuff they need...more of just stuff they want.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 1:27 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
The disparity between good districts and bad ones in the US probably dwarfs any other advanced nation, in no small part because of how districts are funded. Local control is so embedded here that I doubt it will ever change.
You find a place with high property values and a solid tax base and you will find good, high performing schools. It doesn't matter if it's in Texas, California, Florida, or wherever.
Per pupil average really doesn't tell you all that much and really isn't a good indicator of anything here
You find a place with high property values and a solid tax base and you will find good, high performing schools. It doesn't matter if it's in Texas, California, Florida, or wherever.
Per pupil average really doesn't tell you all that much and really isn't a good indicator of anything here
Posted on 8/11/19 at 1:29 pm to theenemy
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What supplies do they have to have that they are buying?
Not very much at all, unless you choose to. This complaint from teachers is GREATLY overstated.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 1:30 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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1) Why do so many americans underestimate how generous our k-12 system is in terms of funding?
Because the results are widely shite, and the shitty areas get the most press, and a vocal component of educators complain about how bad they have it
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2) If the k-12 system is so awash in dollars, why is teacher pay such a big issue? Why isn't this money finding its way into teachers' pockets?
Teachers pockets aren’t the ones needing to be greased.
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3) Why do other countries get so much more bang for their bucks on primary and secondary education performance?
Demographics and culture
Posted on 8/11/19 at 1:34 pm to High C
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Not very much at all, unless you choose to. This complaint from teachers is GREATLY overstated.
I've seen that usually it's just easier to buy it themselves....but if you are buying it just to make it easier for you....dont complain about it.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 1:37 pm to Janky
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Unions are expensive.
Teachers' unions in other industrialized countries are considerably more powerful than they are here
Posted on 8/11/19 at 1:37 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Why do so many americans underestimate how generous our k-12 system is in terms of funding?
Because liberals
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the k-12 system is so awash in dollars, why is teacher pay such a big issue? Why isn't this money finding its way into teachers' pockets?
Because liberals.
Bureaucracy is a hell of a drug.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 1:40 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
What plays a part in the difference is that not all schools have the same amount spent on them, since we use property tax as the defining factor.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 1:43 pm to EmperorGout
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Per pupil average really doesn't tell you all that much and really isn't a good indicator of anything here
I would bet we spend more per pupil in the poorer schools.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 1:44 pm to SEC. 593
quote:True, but I do think they have similar systems in most other countries so it is somewhat apples to apples.
What plays a part in the difference is that not all schools have the same amount spent on them, since we use property tax as the defining factor.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 1:45 pm to theenemy
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but if you are buying it just to make it easier for you....dont complain about it.
Exactly. This is like a framer complaining about being supplied a hammer, but then buys a nail gun to make it easier on him.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 1:46 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Special education services skews that statistic. We hire child specific aids and often have several in one classroom. Other countries don’t even attempt to educate kids with severe exceptionalities like we do.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 1:48 pm to Aristo
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I would bet we spend more per pupil in the poorer schools.
You would be wrong, too
Posted on 8/11/19 at 1:51 pm to EmperorGout
quote:Here is per student funding by state.
You would be wrong, too
LINK
It's not adjusted for COL within each state, though.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 1:51 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
It's the lower 30% of the population that drag us down, not money.
And of course the political answer is throw more money at the issue.
And of course the political answer is throw more money at the issue.
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