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re: Amazon employees in Alabama vote to NOT unionize.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:57 am to MadDogs
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:57 am to MadDogs
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don't have much for respect for unions in general based on what I've seen from friends and family who have worked where union membership was required. If there is one area where it seems like the union SHOULD serve some good it is with keeping their workers safe, but that seems to be the one thing they care very little about.
I'm not in a union and would vote no if one tried to organize.
But F Bezos and F Big Tech in general. They're the enemy.
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:58 am to The Spleen
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The general thought was if this vote has passed, it would have created a domino effect to other Amazon facilities.
Yeah, they are thinking that it would have helped their bargaining position. But as noted earlier, the Amazon facilities don't specialize in a particular product like a manufacturing facility. They could have easily shut down the Birmingham facility to make a stand and transferred additional work to Atlanta, Mobile, Jackson, etc. Their fulfillment centers are not really specialized and their work could be shared with similar facilities in neighboring cities if Amazon wanted to shut it down for a while.
In fact the more they expand, the harder it will be to unionize.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 11:00 am
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:00 am to The Spleen
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I think the local union made a huge mistake bringing national figures in, especially Bernie Sanders.
Yeah. Thats why the union vote in AL didnt pass /s
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:00 am to Displaced
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Police unions
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Teacher unions
Any profession where taxpayer money is funding payrolls should be illegal to form unions.
Full stop.
If you make a living off of taxpayer money, you should answer to the taxpayers, not the union leaders.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:01 am to upgrayedd
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Perhaps, but I think we've seen the kind of power these corporations have wielded over the past few years and I find them inherently untrustworthy
What corporations have used their power to treat their US employees in a manner that you can deem untrustworthy?
Unions had an important role back before safety regulations were a real thing. Unions ensured safe working conditions. Today, the feds do that (for better or for worse).
If people want to organize, anyone should be able to organize a group and go talk to their bosses. Making a union membership mandatory is about as un-American as you can get.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:02 am to MadDogs
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If there is one area where it seems like the union SHOULD serve some good it is with keeping their workers safe, but that seems to be the one thing they care very little about.
UAW has been trying to get some foothold in the Alabama auto industry for 30 years now. While I don't necessarily thing it's needed at the Mercedes, Hyundai, or KIA(technically Georgia) plants, there are some serious safety issues at some of the ancillary supply manufacturing facilities that have popped up near those factories. There have been a few serious cases that have resulted in death at a couple of the KIA suppliers. I think UAW could get a foothold if they focused their efforts at some of those plants, but they seem to want to catch the big whale.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:04 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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Not even Bernie Sanders coming down here to energize the unionization efforts helped.
Probably hurt, since hes an actual commie wannabe.
Unions benefit tradesmen who basically are dispatched from the union hall, there is still a need for these.,
MFG unions, public employee unions do nothing but protect crappy workers.
I would rather negotiate on my own merits than go through that crap. I'm pretty sure any competent worker would too.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:04 am to The Spleen
Wasn't it Volvo or VW that was wanting their plant to unionize and they voted it down? Think that might have been in Tenn.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 11:05 am
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:05 am to xer66
quote:Aside from the 5 months off sounding more like LTD and the holidays (21? Are you a Muslim?), all of that stuff is near standard in a skilled, competitive environment. Do you really need a union to negotiate for what would be freely offered? I hope you never had to struggle through a strike for that.
I'm salaried, paid sick leave, which I was off 5 months last year and didn't miss a check, 21 paid holidays, I work most, and get 3X my rate, 1.5X for anything over 40 hours, 2X for Sundays, and 6 weeks paid vacation. There's lots more, but those are the highlights.
I always thought it was interesting hearing the refinery union guys talk about their benefits only to find out that the non-union guys often had the same thing, but with more upward potential.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:06 am to fightin tigers
VW here in Chattanooga.
UAW is losing plants and members and is desperately trying to extend it's reach.
In completely unrelated news, ford is building another massive factory in Mexico..............
UAW is losing plants and members and is desperately trying to extend it's reach.
In completely unrelated news, ford is building another massive factory in Mexico..............
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:06 am to upgrayedd
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A company that big and powerful will always treat their people like shite.
As opposed to a big and powerful union that does the bare minimum to justify their fees?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:09 am to LSUFanHouston
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Unions had an important role back before safety regulations were a real thing. Unions ensured safe working conditions. Today, the feds do that (for better or for worse).
I think the biggest benefit for union membership is the one benefit least talked about - legal representation. People make a big stink over union dues, but they're usually not that much - say $10 per pay period. But if there's a situation at work where you need legal representation, the union is obligated to provide that in most cases. Without a union, you're on your own, and employment lawyers don't come cheap, if they'll even take your case.
The flip side of that is unions do protect bad workers.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:12 am to The Spleen
Also, you at least get a "day in court" if it comes to termination. A chance to present your case of what happened incase you are falsely blamed.
Insurance policy.
Insurance policy.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:12 am to dewster
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Amazon employees in Alabama vote to NOT unionize.
The people in Georgia who work for amazon that i know love it.
In their eyes, it is like working for google for employees who never learned to code. (And some of these people worked for UPS and hated it)
I hate corporatism. But i dont hate corporations.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:15 am to dewster
Good result, though Amazon is a poster child for doublespeak when it comes to elections.
When their financial interests were at stake, Amazon pushed for in-person elections, no mail-in ballots, and security for ballot boxes.
Amazon concerned about union vote security
But when it comes to Georgia elections, Amazon is all-in on mail-in ballots, no ID, etc.
Laws for thee but not for me!
Amazon disses GA election law
When their financial interests were at stake, Amazon pushed for in-person elections, no mail-in ballots, and security for ballot boxes.
Amazon concerned about union vote security
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Amazon asked that the NLRB change or reset the security locks on the storage room’s door where the ballots will be held, provide Amazon and the RWDSU with an electronic or physical log of when the storage room door is opened during the counting process, and use tamper-proof tape on the ballot boxes or storage room door to “ensure no unauthorized access to the envelopes, ballot boxes, or storage room occurs.”
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It also failed to convince the NLRB to hold an in-person election, arguing that a mail-in ballot format risked depressing turnout and increased the potential for fraud.
But when it comes to Georgia elections, Amazon is all-in on mail-in ballots, no ID, etc.
Laws for thee but not for me!
Amazon disses GA election law
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Amazon has joined the chorus of corporations condemning Republican efforts to tighten election laws in Texas and Georgia. The e-commerce colossus said it opposes measures “aimed at restricting the ability of Americans to vote” as the Lone Star State’s Senate passed a bill that would limit access to mail-in ballots and ban drive-thru voting.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:15 am to Displaced
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The bads far outweigh the good especially since I'm having a hard time coming up with a good regarding police unions.
I just gave you one.
The police union in BR is about the only entity calling out the mayor and her shitty crime policies.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:18 am to whatiknowsofar
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Well it's a bunch of people from Alabama. They love protecting conservative ideologies, so why would they unionize? Why would they want fair benefits if it hurts their Republican Overlord's bottom line?
If there is anything “unfair” about working at the Amazon facility they are free to go work somewhere else.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:19 am to LSUFanHouston
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What corporations have used their power to treat their US employees in a manner that you can deem untrustworthy?
We've seen tech companies, including Amazon, band together to eliminate free speech and essentially "de-person" people that the media and the left deem "dangerous" for going counter to the popular appropriate opinions. If they do that, I have no doubt they'll have no problems fricking over their employees, especially if it's expedient. That's why I say they're inherently untrustworthy. I'm actually not a pro-union person, but I'm definitely not a proponent of what we're told is a "free market" these days, which it certainly is not.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:19 am to upgrayedd
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I just gave you one.
The police union in BR is about the only entity calling out the mayor and her shitty crime policies.
I wont pretend to have knowledge of your specific situation. But professional associations and their lobbyists do the same thing without the downsides.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:21 am to CBDTiger
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Good result, though Amazon is a poster child for doublespeak when it comes to elections.
When their financial interests were at stake, Amazon pushed for in-person elections, no mail-in ballots, and security for ballot boxes.
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But when it comes to Georgia elections, Amazon is all-in on mail-in ballots, no ID, etc.
Laws for thee but not for me!
This is the kind of shite I'm talking about when it comes to calling them inherently untrustworthy. The people at the top in these companies are fricking scumbags.
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