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re: Amazon employees in Alabama vote to NOT unionize.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:45 am to xer66
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:45 am to xer66
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21 paid holidays, I work most, and get 3X my rate, 1.5X for anything over 40 hours, 2X for Sundays, and 6 weeks paid vacation. There's lots more, but those are the highlights.
Some of this is required by law. Your union is just claiming credit to justify their existence to the people whose wages they practically garnish.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 10:46 am
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:46 am to DemonKA3268
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There was a time when unions were necessary. I'm sure there are some professions that still need them.
HR departments have made a unions best function obsolete. Unions can no longer discipline their members or force them out.
First thing a shitty employee does when the union tries to police itself is run to HR to cry. Then HR has to tell the union to stop.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:47 am to dewster
Only about half the employees even voted, and of those that did, only about 1/3rd supported forming a union.
So really only about 1/6th of the workers even want a union enough to vote for it.
So really only about 1/6th of the workers even want a union enough to vote for it.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:48 am to EA6B
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1.5X for anything over 40 hours, 2X for Sundays,
I thought this was already on the books as law.
Yep, “Fair labor standards act”
Where does it state 2x for Sunday?
Me who occasionally fills in for a few hours on Sunday would love to know.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:48 am to CourtJesster
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I challenge someone to list even one.
Police unions are usually the only thing protecting cops from retarded mayors, DA's, lapdog police chiefs, and "community activists" so I'd say that's a decent example.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:49 am to kywildcatfanone
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Amazon would probably leave.
I doubt they would have. That facility has only been open a year or two, and they sunk a LOT of money into it. It's massive.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:49 am to Bestbank Tiger
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Workers have more leverage than they think.
Amazon has proven that they can quickly set up a fulfillment center inside of a year. They can easily shift more work to other fulfillment centers nearby to compensate for a lockout or even an extended shut down. It's not like an automobile plant that produces a single model whose production can't be easily shifted to another plant that produces a different model 500 miles away.
I don't think they have that much leverage. Or a reason to complain about wages or benefits (at least not right now).
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 10:52 am
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:51 am to Alt26
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To be an effective union you have to have leverage against the company. Generally that leverage is skilled labor. Much of Amazon's workforce isn't "skilled labor". Just like at Wal Mart. They can either automate or find other unskilled labor to perform the job. And because of Amazons' virtue signaling proclivities they are actually pretty fair to their largely unskilled labor force.
If you don't like working for Amazon then go find another job. But those with enough in-demand skill to leverage a company generally don't have trouble finding a job. And it is THOSE people who unions hurt the most.
Perhaps, but I think we've seen the kind of power these corporations have wielded over the past few years and I find them inherently untrustworthy
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:51 am to upgrayedd
Police unions are the largest reason people rail against police. It protects the horrible cops and leads to no accountability for misdeeds.
Teacher unions are the same way.
Teacher unions are the same way.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:52 am to upgrayedd
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If you don't like working for Amazon then go find another job.
UPS uses a union. Go work there.
But their starting pay is less than what Amazon offers.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 10:53 am
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:52 am to goofball
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They pushed hard at Nissan in Jackson and Volkswagen in Chattanooga. They failed to get support of the workers in both cases. In fact, VW workers have rejected the UAW twice. I sincerely hope that trend continues.
Workers there make around $50k a year and a $4k bonus. Nice gig for a job that doesn't require a college education and is located in an area with a low cost of living.
In the case of the Nissan plant, the potential threat of unionization benefits the workers more than an actual union would.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:52 am to Displaced
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Police unions are the largest reason people rail against police. It protects the horrible cops and leads to no accountability for misdeeds.
It's certainly a double edged sword, but to act like it's 100% bad is completely disingenuous
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:52 am to goofball
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I don't think they have that much leverage. Or a reason to complain about wages or benefits (at least not right now).
The general thought was if this vote has passed, it would have created a domino effect to other Amazon facilities. Eventually enough would have unionized to really create leverage.
I didn't follow the story all that closely, but it did appear there were a lot of shenanigans by both sides during the campaign for it. But I guess that's par for the course. I think the local union made a huge mistake bringing national figures in, especially Bernie Sanders.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:54 am to goofball
I don't have much for respect for unions in general based on what I've seen from friends and family who have worked where union membership was required. If there is one area where it seems like the union SHOULD serve some good it is with keeping their workers safe, but that seems to be the one thing they care very little about.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:54 am to The Spleen
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I think the local union made a huge mistake bringing national figures in, especially Bernie Sanders.
They knew it was likely to fail before then. That was a last ditch effort.
If there was a problem at Amazon that a union would ameliorate, the employees would have overwhelmingly supported it. And the Union wouldn't have to resort to theatrics to gain support.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:55 am to Displaced
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Police unions are the largest reason people rail against police. It protects the horrible cops and leads to no accountability for misdeeds.
Teacher unions are the same way.
Inherent problem is that no matter where you set the bar, good and bad employees enjoy the same level of protection. So stronger protections shield the bad apples and weaker protections expose the good guys to unfair treatment.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:55 am to whatiknowsofar
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Well it's a bunch of people from Alabama. They love protecting conservative ideologies, so why would they unionize? Why would they want
fair benefits if it hurts their Republican Overlord's bottom line?
Found the union shitbag.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:56 am to upgrayedd
The bads far outweigh the good especially since I'm having a hard time coming up with a good regarding police unions.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:57 am to pankReb
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Where does it state 2x for Sunday?
It's not federal law, but I believe AL has a law on the books that says you must be paid double time "for the 7th consecutive day of work over 40 hours". Something to that effect. I know I used to work at a supplier for Honda in college and we were always paid double time for Sundays.
I could be wrong on this and this was 15+ yrs ago.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:57 am to upgrayedd
Then people should buy from other retailers. They exist.
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