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re: Aluminum prices diverging between America and rest of first world
Posted on 1/29/26 at 3:27 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 1/29/26 at 3:27 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Historic run on foil in 3,2,1.....
Posted on 1/29/26 at 4:43 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I just sold about a month ago four 40 ft gooseneck trailer loads of old aluminum floats 23 in diameter, 5-6 ft long. Double stacked.
Made for some nice holiday cash
Made for some nice holiday cash
Posted on 1/29/26 at 4:46 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
We should go back to steel beer cans.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 4:51 pm to upgrayedd
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private equity tom-foolery
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the tariff wars
A great competition developing between these two to raise prices and diminish quality for most Americans quicker.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 6:45 pm to sgallo3
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we just dont have a lot of naturally available bauxite
Time for North Sherwood Forrest BREC to finally shine!
Posted on 1/29/26 at 7:05 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
The section 232 tariffs on aluminum dont make alot of fundamental sense. We dont mine nor have great sources inside our border for the 2 primary ingredients to make aluminum. Smelting scrap will not ever fix this, although it will be very profitable for that smelter.
Importing converted aluminum is still cheaper than domestic producers because of this fact, it's just the whole price curve has skyrocketed for only us americans. Whether your importing and paying the tarriff to bring it in, or buying domestic and eating the midwest premium, it doesnt matter, youre getting fked up. Theres been very little actual functional purchasing changes in my experience in the industry
The domestic exteuder salesmen I deal with are not happy about this situation. Their customers getting massive price pressure due to tariffs is not good for business. It seems like its wrecking the conversion business here inside the US and hurting everyone downstream of that. Im starting to think this might actually cause contractions in the overall aluminum industry in the US.
Importing converted aluminum is still cheaper than domestic producers because of this fact, it's just the whole price curve has skyrocketed for only us americans. Whether your importing and paying the tarriff to bring it in, or buying domestic and eating the midwest premium, it doesnt matter, youre getting fked up. Theres been very little actual functional purchasing changes in my experience in the industry
The domestic exteuder salesmen I deal with are not happy about this situation. Their customers getting massive price pressure due to tariffs is not good for business. It seems like its wrecking the conversion business here inside the US and hurting everyone downstream of that. Im starting to think this might actually cause contractions in the overall aluminum industry in the US.
This post was edited on 1/29/26 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 1/29/26 at 7:29 pm to sgallo3
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Our production from 2025 was around 680k tons. 2023 was about the same. 2024 was 620k tons
In 2024 we imported 6.75 million tons.
Even if this smelter doubles our capacity we will need to import 6+ million tons.
We have way more jobs that depend on aluminum prices being low than we are gonna create jobs in mining/smelting aluminum
680k tons. That says it all right there. In 1995, we produced 3.4 Million tons of aluminum across 13 companies here in the US. We will not be able to reverse what was done to us in the 1990's and aughts over night, but it HAS to be done. Short term pain <<<< long term gain.
FYI, US imports bauxite from Jamaica, Brazil and Guyana (another reason to tame nextdoor bad neighbor Venezuela and remove them from China's orbit), all of which are obviously in our hemisphere. Our supply line is shorter than much of the world's for this very critical mineral. What we are missing is being able to process it here.
This post was edited on 1/29/26 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 1/29/26 at 7:32 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
George Soros incoming arbitrage.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 7:34 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
A lot of vehicles use aluminum, will this be a strain on new truck prices?
Posted on 1/29/26 at 9:12 pm to upgrayedd
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This probably has to do with the tariff wars
We get more than half of our aluminum from Canada and for some reason they aren’t happy with us. I think we’ll find that they can hurt us many ways as they find other trade partners. Other countries as well.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 7:05 am to shutterspeed
Pretty sure they used those 2 big hills of bauxite back in the late 00s - early 10s. You can still go feed the ducks though
Posted on 1/30/26 at 9:09 am to shutterspeed
Iceland doesn't have bauxite either. They import alumina extracted from bauxite ore, mostly African. That bauxite-alumina step is dirty, just look here in SE La where Jamaican ore is processed. Alumina-aluminum is electric and quite clean...the plants in Iceland are spotless.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 9:53 am to Tree_Fall
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That bauxite-alumina step is dirty, just look here in SE La where Jamaican ore is processed. Alumina-aluminum is electric and quite clean...the plants in Iceland are spotless.
Department of War (DOW) recently announced a $450mm investment in that Atalco site. (Millions of which will have to go straight to cleaning up the environmental issues.)
There are also companies looking at further extracting rare earth metals from the bauxite reside. Those red dust mounds could be a gold mine if they can scale up the extraction technology.
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ElementUSA will use its proprietary processes to extract gallium, scandium, iron and other critical minerals from more than 30 million tons of bauxite residue, the byproduct of the alumina refining process. Supported by a $29.9 million U.S. Department of War grant, the company will first construct a demonstration facility in St. James Parish to validate its extraction process and guide the design of a future commercial-scale facility.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 10:59 am to Qwertyburd
you’re ignoring the real reason for these tariffs - supply chain security. It’s important to boost domestic production so we’re not so dependent on foreign countries for critical resources. Prices are a short-term sacrifice, but well worth it.
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