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re: Alleged video of Ahmaud Arbery shooting leaks
Posted on 5/5/20 at 3:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/5/20 at 3:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
while i can see the very general likeness to trayvon, the biggest difference will be the gun issue. trayvon didn't attack GZ b/c GZ had a gun. trayvon just attacked
Furthermore, here the video appears to show the McMichaels not only pursed the victim but initiate the violence.
In the Zimmerman case, the unrefuted evidence presented at trial showed that Martin doubled back behind Zimmerman and attacked him.
That's an enormous, significant difference.
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 3:30 pm
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 3:29 pm to Stingy
quote:only took 4 pages
Probably because he was out of breath after running from a crime.
Buh he wuh a good kid. He loveded errbody
Posted on 5/5/20 at 3:38 pm to Antonio Moss
You don’t get to claim stand your ground in self defense when you initiate the confrontation.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 3:38 pm to Diseasefreeforall
1. Why was cameraman driving down the block, on the wrong side of the road, with his camera filming? Something obviously happened prior to this confrontation. Threats?
2. Homeboy could have just kept on jogging when he passed the truck but he attacks the kid with the shotgun.
3. Homeboy is clearly beating the kid in the head and attempting to take his weapon.
4. Paw paw in the truck bed looks justified putting a cap in his gut. Self defense, stand your ground, whatever.
Without knowing what happened prior to the video it is hard to make a judgement call.
Shower me with your down votes.
2. Homeboy could have just kept on jogging when he passed the truck but he attacks the kid with the shotgun.
3. Homeboy is clearly beating the kid in the head and attempting to take his weapon.
4. Paw paw in the truck bed looks justified putting a cap in his gut. Self defense, stand your ground, whatever.
Without knowing what happened prior to the video it is hard to make a judgement call.
Shower me with your down votes.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 3:41 pm to bigpetedatiga
quote:
For those who do not know the details of the case I just want to point out that the guy was cleared of any wrong doing and was never a suspect of any crime
Do you have a link? I couldn't find one beyond saying that the only thing 911 callers reported is he looked in the window of a house under construction.
Also, the shooters story is just not true. They told police (from OP's link) they chased him in the pickup, pulled alongside him and got out, where a confrontation occurred and a shot was fired mid-fight with a total of two shots.
You can see from the video they didn't chase him down, they're sitting and waiting for him in the pickup. The first shot is clearly fired before Arbery makes physical contact. Then, the two shots the father does admit to happen.
It's really suspicious the father lies to cover the fact they were sitting there waiting for him and that there were 3 shots with the first fired before any fighting.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 3:45 pm to lsupride87
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If you rob someone, I have no personal issue with chasing them down and murdering them. Being robbed is about as vulnerable as you can feel as a person. I understand the law is different, and it should be for various reasons. But from a moral/personal standpoint I have no problem with someone killing you if you enter their house and steal from them and run away
Wait, you have no personal/moral problem running after a suspected burglar and murdering them without an imminent fear of your own life? Not talking about shooting a burglar in your home on on your property, but actually chasing after them onto public property or other people's personal property.
Honest questions here- do you believe in all parts of the US Constitution or only the parts you agree with?
Posted on 5/5/20 at 3:45 pm to Rep520
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Do you have a link? I couldn't find one beyond saying that the only thing 911 callers reported is he looked in the window of a house under construction
No, I've been following the case for a while. I remember reading it a couple of times. The case has been passed forward a couple of times.
The father use to work for the police I believe, so the local attorney recused himself, but not before writing a letter to the next da saying he thought they were innocent because of the castle statue.
If I'm not mistaken, that da said they would not pursue charges. I think at this point the family is asking for a third party investigation.
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 5/5/20 at 3:47 pm to bigpetedatiga
Was there any evidence that this guy was in fact the one that was burglarizing nearby houses?
if not then I don't see how the castle doctrine would stand
But I'm just a dumbass so need some explaining
if not then I don't see how the castle doctrine would stand
But I'm just a dumbass so need some explaining
Posted on 5/5/20 at 3:49 pm to Jinglebob
quote:
2. Homeboy could have just kept on jogging when he passed the truck but he attacks the kid with the shotgun. 3. Homeboy is clearly beating the kid in the head and attempting to take his weapon
Are you seeing a different video? You can't even see what is going on when the first shot is fired, and nothing that is happening in front of the pickup truck is very clear
Posted on 5/5/20 at 3:50 pm to The Egg
quote:
Was there any evidence that this guy was in fact the one that was burglarizing nearby houses?
No, I believe they said he was clear. They mentioned that even if he was walking through the construction site, there was no forcible entry because it did not have doors or windows. It wasn't a crime for him to be there. Plus no evidence he took anything.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 3:52 pm to LSU Coyote
quote:
I fckking hate dumbass rednecks.
So do you think all rednecks are dubasses? Just curious..
Posted on 5/5/20 at 3:56 pm to bigpetedatiga
quote:so no crime committed by this guy but practically hunted down by these 2 Chad and Junior, yet no charges
No, I believe they said he was clear. They mentioned that even if he was walking through the construction site, there was no forcible entry because it did not have doors or windows. It wasn't a crime for him to be there. Plus no evidence he took anything.
Hmmm
Posted on 5/5/20 at 4:00 pm to The Spleen
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A lynching is defined as the killing of someone by a mob without a fair and legal trial. I mean I guess you could argue that 2 guys with a gun isn't a mob, but they certainly appear to have taken justice into their own hands and killed a guy without a fair and legal trial
I think lynching is a very loaded term in racial politics these days, and it's due to the publics general approbation (whether real or not) of the awful lynchings that occurred in the 1900s.
It wasn't that Emmitt Till was killed for being black (which is awful), but that the public approved of it and the killers went unpunished that made it such a stain on history.
That's the difference between this and "lynchings" IMO. I think people like Shaun King know that but use the term anyway, for nefarious reasons.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 4:17 pm to The Egg
quote:
Was there any evidence that this guy was in fact the one that was burglarizing nearby houses?
This is the best article I can find. It has portions of the 911 calls.
It certainly does not seem overwhelming this guy was burglarizing a house even if he was doing what the 911 callers say he was.
Article
Caller 1:
Caller: “There’s a guy in the house right now, it’s under construction.”
Dispatcher: “And you said someone’s breaking into it right now?”
Caller: “No, it’s all open. It’s under construction ... and there he goes right now.”
Dispatcher: “OK, what is he doing?”
Caller: “He is running down the street.”
Dispatcher: “That’s fine I will get police out there. I just need to know what he was doing wrong. Was he just on the premises and not supposed to be?”
Caller: “He has been caught on camera a bunch at night. It’s kind of an ongoing thing. The man building the house has got heart issues. I think he’s not going to finish it.”
Caller 2:
Caller: “I’m out here at Satilla Shores, there’s a black male running down the street.”
Dispatch: “Where at Satilla Shores?”
Caller: “I don’t know what street we’re on. Stop! Watch that. Stop. Stop.”
The caller does not respond to dispatch after that.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 4:21 pm to McVick
quote:You have reading comprehension problems
Wait, you have no personal/moral problem running after a suspected burglar and murdering them without an imminent fear of your own life?
quote:Yes, you have a horrific reading comprehension problem
Honest questions here- do you believe in all parts of the US Constitution or only the parts you agree with?
Here is my post and what I responded to:
quote:quote:
say he did Rob them, I'd doesn't give them the right to run him down at gunpoint.
Jeebus.
This I disagree with
If you rob someone, I have no personal issue with chasing them down and murdering them. Being robbed is about as vulnerable as you can feel as a person. I understand the law is different, and it should be for various reasons.
Very clearly in my post I outline 1. Nothing “suspected” about my example and the poster I was responding to
2. I very clearly point out the law disagrees and the law should disagree
Once again, yes, from a moral and ethical standpoint I have no issue with chasing after someone who robs you and killing them. When you rob someone, you shouldn’t only have to fear the law in my eyes
Read better
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 5/5/20 at 4:26 pm to lsupride87
these dudes are going away for a long time.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 4:28 pm to Purple Spoon
quote:As of now it appears they should
these dudes are going away for a long time.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 4:42 pm to uway
quote:
I think lynching is a very loaded term in racial politics these days, and it's due to the publics general approbation (whether real or not) of the awful lynchings that occurred in the 1900s.
This case doesn't seem much different than a lot of lynchings that occurred in the 1940's and 1950's. Black man suspected of a crime by white men, chased down by white men, killed by white men, local law enforcement make no arrest.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 4:47 pm to Jinglebob
quote:
kid
Are you fricking regarded? The person with the shotgun is a grandad.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 4:51 pm to Diseasefreeforall
quote:
They say there had been break-ins in the area
Did the number of break-ins decrease after the shooting?
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