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re: Alleged video of Ahmaud Arbery shooting leaks
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:25 pm to Diseasefreeforall
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:25 pm to Diseasefreeforall
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The Daily Beast article has a lot more info on including a quote by a UGA prof who says it could become a major stand your ground ruling.
I don't see how. The dudes in the truck were clearly the aggressors.
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Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:26 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Fighting for his life while running towards the stopped truck with men with guns, and his first instinct is to instantly start swinging. It’s fricking stupid. Those other guys were equally stupid but if you go up and start fist fighting a guy with a shotgun you’re a fricking idiot.
This post deserves no other reply than you're fricking retarded.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:26 pm to TH03
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Someone who instinctively fights for his life.
I would think instinct would make you run away from someone with a gun.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:27 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Fighting for his life while running towards the stopped truck with men with guns, and his first instinct is to instantly start swinging. It’s fricking stupid. Those other guys were equally stupid but if you go up and start fist fighting a guy with a shotgun you’re a fricking idiot.
He had already turned around and tried to avoid them once.
When they made it clear they were not going to leave him alone, what other choice do you have?
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:28 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I would think instinct would make you run away from someone with a gun.
It very well may. That's why it's called fight or flight. He likely had no active/conscious role in that decision. He saw a guy coming at him with a gun a couple feet away and instinctively fought
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:36 pm to Diseasefreeforall
Anyone defending those rednecks needs their brain examined.
This is coming from someone who is pro 2A and law enforcement
This is coming from someone who is pro 2A and law enforcement
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:37 pm to Displaced
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I don't see how. The dudes in the truck were clearly the aggressors.
I don't know all the specifics of the law, but I'm guessing you'll hear things discussed like:
- Was the shotgun visible?
- Was it pointed at him or just at his side?
- If the gun was at his side and the other person charged at him, is he justified in shooting or not?
Zimmerman was different because the accepted story is that he didn't draw his weapon until after his head was slammed in the ground.
All in all, i doubt this ends well for them. I hadn't originally thought about him having the shotgun out and pointing it at the guy before any physical harm done. I just don't see how they will win any argument of self defense at this point.
This post was edited on 5/6/20 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:38 pm to Diseasefreeforall
From your Daily Beast link, this part stood out to me.
But the McMichaels would tell police that day that Arbery had recently been seen sticking “his hand down his pants,” leading them to believe he might be armed, they said.
Not only does this sound completely made up, it also makes their course of action ridiculous. It's totally inconsistent with the video too.
They claim they thought he was armed, so the first response was to roll up on an armed burglar with guns drawn? This is real life, not a Rambo movie.
But the McMichaels would tell police that day that Arbery had recently been seen sticking “his hand down his pants,” leading them to believe he might be armed, they said.
Not only does this sound completely made up, it also makes their course of action ridiculous. It's totally inconsistent with the video too.
They claim they thought he was armed, so the first response was to roll up on an armed burglar with guns drawn? This is real life, not a Rambo movie.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:39 pm to Salmon
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When they made it clear they were not going to leave him alone, what other choice do you have?
When the guy attacks the man with the shotgun, what choice does that leave THEM? It was a poor choice made by all, and those guys will go to prison. But don’t make it seem like he didn’t have any other choice. Those guys would be in prison and he’d be alive most likely.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:39 pm to TH03
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I don't think you get to claim self defense when you block a guy from running down the street and he moves toward you.
They shouldn’t, but when this goes to trial that will be the only thing they have to lean on and I will bet that’s what they will claim.
What I find interesting is the family lawyer talking about a possible communication between the two and law enforcement. Almost like he is hinting that they may have been told to stop him? I’m not sure why this would be brought up by him unless he plans to later go after them in a wrongful death suit. That is all my opinion, just typing out loud.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:40 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Fighting for his life while running towards the stopped truck with men with guns, and his first instinct is to instantly start swinging
Does he swing before the first shot? I don't think he does
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:41 pm to Diseasefreeforall
I have so many questions at this point. Shaun King has so many conclusions. A lynching? 
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:44 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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When the guy attacks the man with the shotgun, what choice does that leave THEM?
You can't roll up, point a shotgun at someone, then say you had no choice but to shoot him when he defends himself.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:44 pm to LSU40
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Almost like he is hinting that they may have been told to stop him?
I just can't imagine a police officer telling a civilian this, as it would likely end bad for him. Then again, the one who likely was in communication with the police was a former cop and that may factor in...That would be crazy if true.
This post was edited on 5/6/20 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:45 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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When the guy attacks the man with the shotgun, what choice does that leave THEM?
You can't point a gun at a stranger and then claim self defense when he defends himself.
Is that what you're arguing?
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:47 pm to SUB
Exactly, would put a whole new crazy twist on it. I may have misunderstood what he was saying though.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:47 pm to Displaced
That guy has to be trolling because his take is horrendously stupid.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:49 pm to Rep520
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You can't roll up, point a shotgun at someone, then say you had no choice but to shoot him when he defends himself.
That brings to mind the South Park "he's coming right at us" episode
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:49 pm to 50_Tiger
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Anyone defending those rednecks needs their brain examined.
Yep, frick em. This didn't have to end that way.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 4:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Yep, frick em. This didn't have to end that way.
Exactly, this is what police are for. I understand that the older guy and maybe even his son was former law enforcement, but key word is FORMER.
If for whatever reason these people believed this guy did something let the police handle it, they would have questioned the guy and he would be alive today.
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