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re: Alleged video of Ahmaud Arbery shooting leaks
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:49 pm to jchamil
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:49 pm to jchamil
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It's scary to think that due to the police ties, this would have just faded into nothing had the video not been released. It would have been justified to make it self defense and chalked up as a whoopsie.
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With the dad being a retired investigator for the DA (at least I believe that is what I've seen his role in law enforcement was), I'm kind of surprised this video ever even made it out to the public.
This!! Even with the video, don't get your hopes up for a conviction. Courts don't like to convict cops, especially white cops... Sorry.
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Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:49 pm to SUB
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Unless my audio is out of sync, that first shot is fired just before he makes contact with the man on the ground. Yes, he was in front of the truck. It's a 0:20 in the video.
Yeah, but the guy with the shotgun is at the front driver's side and Arbery is on the passenger's side. It would take him less than a half second to get to the guy.
For the shot to have been fired before Arbery gets to him, the guy with the shotgun would have had to have the shotgun pointed and be pulling the trigger as Arbery rounds the passenger's side.
Hence why I said Arbery saw the guy point the gun and ran at him. There's no way Arbery could have started running at him from 10 feet away and dude could have raised his gun and gotten off a shot before Arbery got there. He fired the shot because he already had the shotgun pointed and was either pulling the trigger or had his finger on the trigger.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:54 pm to wildtigercat93
There was no burglary
He went into a vacant construction site. At most you could say it’s trespassing. And we don’t even have any evidence that he did that.
He went into a vacant construction site. At most you could say it’s trespassing. And we don’t even have any evidence that he did that.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:54 pm to Chicken
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well, if he lives 20 miles away from where he was jogging, it could raise some suspicions...still doesn't justify his death.
I hear you, but to be fair, couldn't that apply to people who drive over to LSU to run by the lakes and through the neighborhoods?
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:54 pm to Rep520
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Yeah, but the guy with the shotgun is at the front driver's side and Arbery is on the passenger's side. It would take him less than a half second to get to the guy.
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make...he was shot after he took at least 3 steps toward him. He was only 1 step away from getting his hands on the gun or the man when he was shot.
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Hence why I said Arbery saw the guy point the gun and ran at him. There's no way Arbery could have started running at him from 10 feet away and dude could have raised his gun and gotten off a shot before Arbery got there. He fired the shot because he already had the shotgun pointed and was either pulling the trigger or had his finger on the trigger.
Still, not sure what point you are making. All of that could have happened of course.
This post was edited on 5/6/20 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:01 pm to SUB
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I'm not sure what point you are trying to make...he was shot after he took at least 3 steps toward him. He was only 1 step away from getting his hands on the gun or the man when he was shot.
I think it matters whether Arbery ran at him before or after the guy pointed the shotgun at Arbery.
If Arbery had ran at him before the shotgun pointing, you could argue Arbery was the aggressor. That scenario isn't consistent with the video.
If the guy points the shotgun first, he's the aggressor and the fact Arbery is responding to that is important. I won't claim knowledge of Georgia law, but in a lot of places you can't claim self defense when you're the aggressor.
I don't see any way pointing a shotgun at someone with your finger on the trigger isn't an aggressive act. The fact it had to have happened before Arbery rounded the passengers side pretty well answers who started it.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:02 pm to Rep520
How the hell did he miss him with the first shot with a shotgun from that close of range?
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:05 pm to Diseasefreeforall
I don't care if he had stolen from every house on the street. This is murder, plain and simple.
Those two deserve to be in jail the rest of their lives at a minimum.
Those two deserve to be in jail the rest of their lives at a minimum.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:05 pm to Chicken
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well, if he lives 20 miles away from where he was jogging, it could raise some suspicions.
Not if he was white.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:06 pm to Diseasefreeforall
Bout tired of these DAs doing passing the buck to grand jury’s
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:06 pm to mouton
I don't think that should be the focus of the video...
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:09 pm to Diseasefreeforall
It makes me sick that these two have been walking the streets for over 2 months
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:11 pm to Rep520
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I think it matters whether Arbery ran at him before or after the guy pointed the shotgun at Arbery.
I see what you are getting at now. You are probably right. It looked as if Arbery was running away and to the right initially and then made a sudden turn to the left to move toward the guy.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:16 pm to SUB
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It looked as if Arbery was running away and to the right initially and then made a sudden turn to the left to move toward the guy.
I agree with that and it looks like his left turn was about the time the gun would have been pointed at him, i.e., he was reacting to the gun.
I just don't see how father/son aren't clearly in the wrong.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:17 pm to SUB
Who the frick runs at and attacks multiple people who are armed? fricking Darwin Award winner right there.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:18 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Who the frick runs at and attacks multiple people who are armed? fricking Darwin Award winner right there.
Someone who instinctively fights for his life.
I hope that was a troll.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:19 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Regardless there is no need to block the road and act like Johnny law with your guns drawn on someone who is unarmed. That’s way over the top.
And unless the guy ditched everything a home burglar would have some stolen items? This is damn near George Zimmerman with video. Zimmerman and these guys were both idiots. Video might have helped or fricked Zimmerman. It frickS these guys from what I saw. And if that poor bastard WAS a guy just jogging. They should be fricked.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:22 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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There was no burglary
He went into a vacant construction site. At most you could say it’s trespassing. And we don’t even have any evidence that he did that.
He did visit a construction site:
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What he had done was visit the foundation of a home being built just down the street from Travis McMichael’s home, a new structure whose owner, Larry English, told The Daily Beast he received a notification on his cell phone of someone on his property that day. He provided footage to The Daily Beast that Brooks, Arbery’s aunt, identified as depicting her nephew.
The Daily Beast article has a lot more info on including a quote by a UGA prof who says it could become a major stand your ground ruling.
Daily Beast
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:24 pm to TH03
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Someone who instinctively fights for his life.
Fighting for his life while running towards the stopped truck with men with guns, and his first instinct is to instantly start swinging. It’s fricking stupid. Those other guys were equally stupid but if you go up and start fist fighting a guy with a shotgun you’re a fricking idiot.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:25 pm to LSU alum wannabe
Zim was an idiot for following and was guilty of starting the altercation, but he didn't shoot until his head was being bashed into the concrete. It was self defense at that point as he fired his pistol to prevent his own death or serious injury.
I don't think you get to claim self defense when you block a guy from running down the street and he moves toward you.
I don't think you get to claim self defense when you block a guy from running down the street and he moves toward you.
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