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re: Alec Baldwin’s ‘Rust’ Involuntary Manslaughter Trial Starts Today
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:51 am to mmcgrath
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:51 am to mmcgrath
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1) He should have unloaded the gun and used an expertise he did not possess identify which rounds were dummies and which were live. Then reloaded the gun. Things that are against the rules on a movie set once the armorer provides the prepared gun.
The armorer didn't provide the gun. An assistant director did. Baldwin shouldn't have accepted the gun. No one has said he should have tried to figure it out for himself.
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2) He recklessly pointed the gun at Hutchins. Even though he was pointing the gun at an unmanned camera (as directed) and Hutchins was watching through monitors which were set up 20 feet behind the camera but directly in line.
No one directed him to point the gun at the time he pointed it. They weren't rolling film and he hadn't been told to do that. He was "practicing," supposedly.
More importantly, you left out the part where he *pulled the trigger,* without being told to and without anyone expecting him to.
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Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:53 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Throw the cock bite in prison.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 12:32 pm to MikeBRLA
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Baldwin knew he was holding a real gun. The 'prop gun' was real and it was known to everyone as such. That is why he's guilty.
That's the crazy thing. In this day and age, with CGI, they could use a prop gun, incapable of actually firing anything (even a blank, which can be dangerous/lethal at close range).
From what I read, some filmmakers decide the real thing is more realistic on film (recoil, etc).
Well, damn, if you decide you are going to bring a real gun to a set, instead of a prop, you better be damn sure that every safety measure is taken by everyone.
It sounds so cliche', but my Dad used to say "It's the empty gun that kills". He wasn't wrong.
This post was edited on 7/10/24 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 7/10/24 at 12:37 pm to alphaandomega
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Wouldnt the melt be great if this a-hole went to prison and Trump walks free and gets reelected.
And Trump says "I am considering giving Alec Baldwin a complete pardon, but.... NO."
This post was edited on 7/10/24 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 7/10/24 at 12:39 pm to MidWestGuy
Baldwin is a prick and a poor human being But if you’re an actor on a movie set and someone that is directing it hands you a firearm for a scene, The thought that it could have anything other than blanks in, it is probably not in your head at all
Posted on 7/10/24 at 1:11 pm to biglego
quote:but feel the need to tell you what you should and shouldnt have.
Actors mostly don’t know shite about guns and don’t have to
Posted on 7/10/24 at 1:33 pm to mmcgrath
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They were going to try to pin him with responsibility due to his producer credit but the judge threw that out yesterday.
if that is off the table then I think its going to be hard to get him on anything else.
He is probably at fault for hiring the unqualified armorer, but in his role as an actor he trusted that the gun he was given didn't have live rounds in it.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 2:07 pm to mudshuvl05
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He was the producer of the movie.
That really depends. What kind of producer was he on the film? "Producer" is a somewhat catch all term that can cover a lot of different specific things.
I highly doubt he was the line producer who is generally the person in charge of day to day operations, staffing, and budget.
If his producer credit is simply due to being one of many individuals and production companies that helped fund the making of the film it's going to be extremely hard to show he had any actual control on hiring/firing of below the line staff.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 2:10 pm to Stevo
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I don't share Baldwin's political beliefs, but how many politards want him convicted because of his politics?
Posted on 7/10/24 at 3:41 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
He’s sitting there looking awfully smug. Not a good look for the jury.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 3:49 pm to Old Sarge
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Baldwin is a prick and a poor human being But if you’re an actor on a movie set and someone that is directing it hands you a firearm for a scene, The thought that it could have anything other than blanks in, it is probably not in your head at all
What if there had been a couple previous "live fire" mishaps on the set?
Also, even if you think you have a gun with blanks, should you point it at a human and pull the trigger at a time when they aren't expecting you to, and while they are standing in the spot you're pointing the gun at?
Again, he did not do this as part of a "take." They were setting up a take, and he did this when no one was expecting it. I am pretty sure that when "action" was called, and he was supposed to aim the gun at the camera, there would not have been people behind the camera in the spot the gun was aimed at.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 4:07 pm to The Mick
Most people would agree it's an accident. Though most people who support Trump really hate this guy for his politics and for that alone they want to see him jailed for what is an accident. It's the fault if whoever handles the guns. The on set firearms specialist.
Actors shoot blanks all the time. If he didn't load the gun he's not at fault. But in 2024 your daily view is seen first through your politics.
Actors shoot blanks all the time. If he didn't load the gun he's not at fault. But in 2024 your daily view is seen first through your politics.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 4:15 pm to TigerIron
quote:They weren't rolling film, but they were setting up the cameras for the shot. Which is why the AD and Alayna were there. He was told to draw the gun and point it.
No one directed him to point the gun at the time he pointed it. They weren't rolling film and he hadn't been told to do that. He was "practicing," supposedly.
quote:Doesn't matter. The expert was supposed to make sure that live rounds were nowhere near that gun. She was careless to the point of being guilty of manslaughter.
More importantly, you left out the part where he *pulled the trigger,* without being told to and without anyone expecting him to.
quote:The armorer gave it to the AD. If Balwin is not supposed to take the gun from anyone but the armorer, and the armorer makes the rules, then the armorer is responsible for not following the rules. Clearly she authorized the AD to hand the gun to Baldwin.
The armorer didn't provide the gun. An assistant director did. Baldwin shouldn't have accepted the gun. No one has said he should have tried to figure it out for himself.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 5:01 pm to mmcgrath
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They weren't rolling film, but they were setting up the cameras for the shot. Which is why the AD and Alayna were there. He was told to draw the gun and point it.
I don't think that's true, at least not the part where he was told to draw and point the gun. Even if it was, he was definitely not told to pull the trigger, which he did.
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Doesn't matter. The expert was supposed to make sure that live rounds were nowhere near that gun. She was careless to the point of being guilty of manslaughter.
Yes, but that doesn't make Baldwin not criminally negligent for pulling the trigger when he wasn't supposed to and when he was pointing the gun at people.
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The armorer gave it to the AD. If Balwin is not supposed to take the gun from anyone but the armorer, and the armorer makes the rules, then the armorer is responsible for not following the rules. Clearly she authorized the AD to hand the gun to Baldwin.
No, the AD grabbed it off a table. And, if the rules are "only take gun from armorer," that goes both ways and Baldwin shouldn't have broken the rules even if the armorer did. Again, the fact that the armorer was criminally negligent doesn't mean Baldwin can't also be criminally negligent.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 5:23 pm to Napoleon
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Actors shoot blanks all the time. If he didn't load the gun he's not at fault. But in 2024 your daily view is seen first through your politics.
Politics has absolutely nothing to do with firearm safety, period, end of story.
Baldwin, the AD, and the armorer are all at fault. All three failed to follow basic firearm safety rules. Since the pistol fired while Baldwin was handling it, he has the most blame.
I hope he's found guilty and serves the maximum. Somehow, I doubt that happens.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 5:33 pm to au7342
I’ll ask again for those that say he is guilty
An actor pushes another actor off a ledge. The stunt director didn’t propely attach the harness
The actor falls and dies
Guily as well correct? A proper person would never push someone off a ledge before properly inspecting the others harness right?
An actor pushes another actor off a ledge. The stunt director didn’t propely attach the harness
The actor falls and dies
Guily as well correct? A proper person would never push someone off a ledge before properly inspecting the others harness right?
This post was edited on 7/10/24 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 7/10/24 at 6:14 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
IEFY
This post was edited on 10/2/24 at 8:42 am
Posted on 7/10/24 at 6:30 pm to lsupride87
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An actor pushes another actor off a ledge. The stunt director didn’t propely attach the harness The actor falls and dies
Or a person is playing a suicide bomber and has on a fake suicide vest. Actor pushes button on detonator and it is real dynamite. Is that on the actor or the prop guy?
Posted on 7/10/24 at 6:32 pm to highcotton2
If a gun manufacturer can be sued for a murder then anything is possible.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 6:34 pm to The Mick
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He shot and killed some one.
Is that specific enough for you?
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