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re: Alec Baldwin Charged With Involuntary Manslaughter in ‘Rust’ Shooting (OP Updated)
Posted on 1/19/23 at 1:54 pm to IAmNERD
Posted on 1/19/23 at 1:54 pm to IAmNERD
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So, still a visual (and according to your source) audible difference? That wasn't checked by the safety personnel or the end user?
Got it.
Yes, agreed, they both should have checked it.
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 1:58 pm to lsu2006
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Why? Because he sucks?
Because he took a gun, pointed it at someone, and pulled the trigger before knowing if it was loaded.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 1:59 pm to NATidefan
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One where he draws the gun from the holster and points it at the camera, that they are sitting behind to film it, and is maybe even supposed to pull the trigger (cause that's the way it sounds the scene was to be done).
Then why did he vehemently deny pulling the trigger? I mean, if that's how the scene was to be done, why deny it?
Why lie to the FBI if he was just practicing a scene, and the mistake was solely made by the armorer, as you keep alleging?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:01 pm to NATidefan
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One where he draws the gun from the holster and points it at the camera, that they are sitting behind to film it, and is maybe even supposed to pull the trigger (cause that's the way it sounds the scene was to be done).
I don't think he did anything wrong in those actions if that is the scene they were shooting (which is what Ive read they were doing). He has to do those actions for the shot.
They don't have to be sitting behind the camera to film it. They set up the shot, start rolling, get out of the way, then they call action and he shoots. And, if they did have to be behind the camera, they would and should have set it up so that while it looked like he was pointing the gun into the camera, it was not actually pointing at any person behind the camera. But Baldwin pulled the gun and pointed it straight at them from 2 feet away while they were fiddling with the camera.
Even if they were going to have him pull a gun and pull the trigger while pointing it at the camera and at people behind the camera (which by itself would have been dangerous and not ok), there is no way it's ok for him to just go ahead and do that as "practice" while they are doing something else and not wearing any protective gear.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:02 pm to Festus
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Then why did he vehemently deny pulling the trigger? I mean, if that's how the scene was to be done, why deny it?
Why lie to the FBI if he was just practicing a scene, and the mistake was solely made by the armorer, as you keep alleging?
I NEVER said he wasn't at fault. I SAID THEY BOTH WERE, multiple times. fricking A.
I even said he should have checked the gun on the first post of this page.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:07 pm to NATidefan
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:10 pm to TigerIron
They shouldn't have been using a real gun period for the shot. And definitely live ammo shouldn't have been on set.
He should have checked it before. The armorer should have checked it before handing it to him.
I'm not saying he wasn't at fault.
Just saying that I don't think the actual scene or practicing part was where he fricked up.
Like I said, people get guns pointed at them and the trigger pulled in move scenes all the time. That's not a rarity.
He should have checked it before. The armorer should have checked it before handing it to him.
I'm not saying he wasn't at fault.
Just saying that I don't think the actual scene or practicing part was where he fricked up.
Like I said, people get guns pointed at them and the trigger pulled in move scenes all the time. That's not a rarity.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:12 pm to NATidefan
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Like I said, people get guns pointed at them and the trigger pulled in move scenes all the time. That's not a rarity.
Cinematographers?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:12 pm to TigerIron
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No, dipshit. Movies make you think a real gun is pointed at someone, either through camera tricks or by pointing something at someone that looks a lot like a real gun but isn't. They do not put real, fireable guns up to actors' heads and pull the trigger, even if the gun is unloaded
Yes, as I just said. He and armore fricked up by letting a real gun be used for the scene.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:13 pm to TDTOM
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Cinematographers?
If the scene is a close up of the gun being pointed in the cameras direction, I would imagine so.
ETA:
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WHY WOULD THE GUN HAVE BEEN POINTING AT THE CINEMATOGRAPHER?
We don’t know what happened on the set of “Rust,” but it is fairly common to have a gun pointed at the camera, and by extension the cinematographer, to get a certain angle.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:15 pm to NATidefan
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It was rehearsal. I'm not saying he isn't at fault, but stop saying it isn't something it was. He was rehearsing a scene and pointed a gun with live ammo at someone and shot them, while rehearsing a scene.
It wasn't a rehearsal, dude. It was him fricking around with the gun.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:21 pm to NATidefan
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Yes, agreed, they both should have checked it.
Agreed. Which is why I agree with both being charged.
Those arguing he is devoid of any responsibility due to the checks that should have been performed before the firearm ended up in his hands are just wrong, imo.
It's redundancy like airline pilots perform with their preflight checks. Yes, they assume the preflight crew did their jobs but they visually check their instrumentation for visual verification before doing the dangerous part of leaving the ground.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:24 pm to NATidefan
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He and armore fricked up by letting a real gun be used for the scene.
*Real ammo.
Real guns are used all the time in movies. It's the ammunition that's dangerous. Unless they're doing CGI on the gunshots (which is done with prop guns on films), the guns are real.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:25 pm to Smeg
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:30 pm to IAmNERD
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Real guns are used all the time in movies. It's the ammunition that's dangerous. Unless they're doing CGI on the gunshots (which is done with prop guns on films), the guns are real.
Maybe so, argue with the guy that says they don't use real guns to point them at people heads in movies to pull the trigger.
Honestly I don't know if they use real guns for those scenes or not. But I do know they use real guns in movies and they use prop guns (defined however whether it be a real gun with firing pin removed, etc).
If it was me, and I was doing a scene that didn't require a blank to be fired. I would either use a fake gun or at least a gun with the firing pin removed.
And there is no way in hell I would allow live ammo on set or for the crew to use the movie guns for shooting practice.
Multiple safety protocols were broken and it could have been easily avoided.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:36 pm to Smeg
Has Mike followed up?
We need a follow up.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:45 pm to Scruffy
When is the arrest and perp walk? Has bond been set?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:48 pm to Smeg
That screen shot is gold if real.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:55 pm to Festus
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But there's a lot more evidence that he did much more than that.
What is that evidence?
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