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re: Alcoholism: Why Is It A Disease?
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:22 am to Festus
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:22 am to Festus
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Define true addictions?
Compulsions that the addict is aware of, but pathologically engages in them regardless of outcome.
I largely don't subscribe to the "every" bad habit is some sort of "addiction" - but they can clinically evaluate addictions with EEG and MRI studies. Basically any drug or activity that provides chemical/electrical response in the brain (or a strong physical dependence) that becomes habit forming to the addict's detriment and, in most cases, requires external support to truly break the addiction's hold.
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Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Addiction is a disease, though it's more of a self induced injury.
Addicted people are temporarily brain damaged.
I completely understand how people that don't have addictive personalities have some difficulty understanding this.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:23 am to Clark W Griswold
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But I also think calling it a disease is a slap in the face to anyone who has a real disease. Alcoholism as a disease just seems like a way to make people have a crutch for their problems.
If you develop cancer because of poor diet choices does the same logic apply? Obesity related ailments? Skin cancer from too much sun?
A lot of diseases are the result of poor decision making. We recognize that much more clearly with addiction but we often overlook it with other choices.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:23 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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quote: Easy way to get a crutch in life huh You're a dumb shite. That's all I can say. Go play in traffic and leave the discussion to the adults in the room.
Oh I'm sorry I pointed out your little life hack
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 10:24 am
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:24 am to fallguy_1978
It really is something that you have to see 1st hand or experience to halfway comprehend. I didn't believe it either in a previous life. I should be more tolerant. 
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:25 am to tigerdude3232
Alcoholism is a life hack. Christ, that's a new one to me.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:26 am to Ace Midnight
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Compulsions that the addict is aware of, but pathologically engages in them regardless of outcome.
I largely don't subscribe to the "every" bad habit is some sort of "addiction" - but they can clinically evaluate addictions with EEG and MRI studies. Basically any drug or activity that provides chemical/electrical response in the brain (or a strong physical dependence) that becomes habit forming to the addict's detriment and, in most cases, requires external support to truly break the addiction's hold.
Fair enough.
So you would consider caffeine addiction a disease? Or cigarette smoking?
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:26 am to fallguy_1978
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Addiction is a disease, though it's more of a self induced injury.
Addicted people are temporarily brain damaged.
I completely understand how people that don't have addictive personalities have some difficulty understanding this.
Is temporary brain damage even a medical term? like is it possible to have temporary brain damage?
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:28 am to Powerman
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If you develop cancer because of poor diet choices does the same logic apply? Obesity related ailments? Skin cancer from too much sun?
yes....... isn't that how responsibility works?
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:28 am to Powerman
quote:I think what separates addiction is at any point the bad results of the disease can technically be stopped by the person
If you develop cancer because of poor diet choices does the same logic apply? Obesity related ailments? Skin cancer from too much sun?
A lot of diseases are the result of poor decision making. We recognize that much more clearly with addiction but we often overlook it with other choices.
Once you get cancer or another disease, it isnt like you can just stop it
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:29 am to lsupride87
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any point the bad results of the disease can technically be stopped by the person
It's a very weird dynamic. While quitting seems easy, the brain and it's complex systems are fighting tooth and nail to prevent it. Sometimes to the point of death.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:30 am to lsupride87
Well, not really. Not being able to stop is the problem. Or more accurately, not being able to stay stopped. This guy explains it better than I could dream of, if someone wants to really learn about it.
Father Martin
Father Martin
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:30 am to fallguy_1978
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Addicted people are temporarily brain damaged.
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I completely understand how people that don't have addictive personalities have some difficulty understanding this.
Yep, it's really hard to understand til you've been there.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:30 am to tigerdude3232
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Is temporary brain damage even a medical term? like is it possible to have temporary brain damage?
Alcoholism has definite, severe effects on brain function. Except for one specific type of damage, it's mostly reversible after a few years of sobriety. Source: I read a lot.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:30 am to EarlyCuyler3
In many cases doctors wrote prescriptions which caused the addictions. Then addicts would come back for more and instead of treating the problem they made it worse.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:31 am to lsupride87
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I think what separates addiction is at any point the bad results of the disease can technically be stopped by the person
Once you get cancer or another disease, it isnt like you can just stop it
Funny how we go to the doctor and run thousands of dollars in test to come to the conclusion that you need to just not open another beer for a few weeks.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:31 am to Clark W Griswold
No its a habit. I don't have a nail biting disease
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:32 am to ItNeverRains
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No its a habit.
You've got a long way to go chief.
Some habits lead to addiction, others don't. Addiction isn't habit.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:32 am to EarlyCuyler3
quote:I am not the person that beleives its easy or addiction isnt hell
Well, not really. Not being able to stop is the problem. Or more accurately, not being able to stay stopped. This guy explains it better than I could dream of, if someone wants to really learn about it.
But the point remains, the disease can be ended by the person choosing to stop using/drinking
That isnt how other diseases work for the most part
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:33 am to Clark W Griswold
So you're arguing the doctors are responsible? I mean, that's what you're saying.
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