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Posted on 6/8/15 at 3:57 pm to kilo1234
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the driver's seat in your car moved all the way back, a pair of size 16 shoes under the bed, and your bedsheets smelling like cocoa butter.
BBC victim I see.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 4:00 pm to tbrig3211
quote:It can be complicated, but a loose definition would be described as a person that has a "allergy of the body" AND a "mental obsession: in the mind The allergic reaction leads to an insatiable desire to drink once one has started and the mental obsession means it consumes all thoughts to get the alcohol in the body regardless of the known negative consequences. Its simply complicated.
Please define a "real alcoholic."
Posted on 6/8/15 at 4:05 pm to Crow Pie
So basically this...
the DSM-5 defines psychological disorder as behavioral, psychological, or biological dysfunctions that are unexpected in their cultural context and associated with present distress and impairment in functioning, or increased risk of suffering, death, pain, or impairment.
However I've never read anything about allergy of the body. Everything dealing with psychology is complicated, especially substance abuse.
the DSM-5 defines psychological disorder as behavioral, psychological, or biological dysfunctions that are unexpected in their cultural context and associated with present distress and impairment in functioning, or increased risk of suffering, death, pain, or impairment.
However I've never read anything about allergy of the body. Everything dealing with psychology is complicated, especially substance abuse.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 4:41 pm to tbrig3211
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Please define a "real alcoholic."
Generic definitions - Alcoholism is the physical and mental addiction to alcohol.
Physical and psychological dependence.
For me, when I was drinking, I had both. Towards the end, when I would try to cut back, I would have seizures. As long as I drank, I was fine. Grandfather was a functioning alcoholic, as is my dad. My uncle drank himself to death. Native American bloodline to boot. I'm not going to tell my whole story but I spent 17 years in the bottle. I was a functioning alcoholic. I did the AA thing. I worked the steps and I helped others. Sober since Sept. 2nd 2008. I haven't been to a meeting in 4 years. Did AA help me? Yes, it did but I don't "work it" or live it anymore. I have no desire to drink and even if I did, I know where I'd end up. That's not a road I'm willing to travel down again. Different strokes . . ., I reckon.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 4:47 pm to kilo1234
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Alcoholism stems from coming home from a 3 week business trip to find the driver's seat in your car moved all the way back, a pair of size 16 shoes under the bed, and your bedsheets smelling like cocoa butter.
Shouldn't have caught the early flight home from San Diego.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:03 pm to Mr.Perfect
There is a strong genetic component. Other factors play a role. Bio-psycho-social. Diathesis-stress. Science says so.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:08 pm to Mr.Perfect
You learn that shite
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:08 pm to Mr.Perfect
Idk, but inferior genetics definitely play a part.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:14 pm to Mr.Perfect
quote:Strongly disagree. I think it can be genetic to some degree.
I believe it is a learned behavior and more of a monkey see monkey do.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:16 pm to Mr.Perfect
I suggest you read "The Doctor's Opinion" in the Alcoholics Anonymous Big Book
It explains it pretty well. If you don't find a satisfactory answer there read the next 4 chapters.
It explains it pretty well. If you don't find a satisfactory answer there read the next 4 chapters.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:20 pm to tbrig3211
quote:
Please define a "real alcoholic."
Pg 44 AA Big Book
quote:
If, when you honestly want to, you find you cannot quit entirely, or if when drinking, you have little control over the amount you take, you are probably alcoholic.
That's the definition AA uses and the one that fit me.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:25 pm to Agforlife
I was asking rhetorically. I'll stick to the DSM-5 for my understanding of psychological disorders.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:26 pm to 777Tiger
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I'll buy that, but not only is AA no longer considered to be effective, much less the tip of the spear in alcohol abuse treatment/relapse prevention, it's kind of laughed at by many professionals in that field, and considered to be sort of like voodoo
Yes and these people have an even lower success rate, AA worked for me when rehabs and treatment centers did not. I will be the first to tell you AA is not the only thing that works, there are others, but it's the only thing that worked for me.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:31 pm to tbrig3211
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I was asking rhetorically. I'll stick to the DSM-5 for my understanding of psychological disorders.
Yep and keep using that curriculum based therapy that has been so successful at making money and not much else.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 7:09 pm to Mr.Perfect
I learned that I enjoy being high. It helps me tolerate the 99% of the population that is dumber/slower than me.
By staying fricked up, I feel as dumb, drive as bad, think as slow, etc., as everyone else out there.
By staying fricked up, I feel as dumb, drive as bad, think as slow, etc., as everyone else out there.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 7:12 pm to CoachDon
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I say both. 30-70% of alcoholics share high stress and anxiety levels. There is a gene CREB that regulates a part of the brain responsible for maintaining stress and anxiety. People are born with low levels tend to during more. That genetic trait is passed from generation to generation. That accompanied with the environment you are raised in, i.e. watching your parents get hammered, can make for a dependent child as well. There are other factors like peer pressure, so that would help make up my "learned" opinion as well.
This. It is genetic in that, in many cases, the Alcoholic is simply "self medicating" to help alleviate symptoms of another disorder such as bad anxiety, anxiety attacks/panic disorders that run in the family. At some point it becomes a medication the alcoholic(panic disorder) can't live without.
This post was edited on 6/8/15 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 6/8/15 at 9:41 pm to Peazey
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Goddammit Otto, you have lupus!
Posted on 6/8/15 at 9:46 pm to Agforlife
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but not only is AA no longer considered to be effective
AA is about as effective as....
Yeah yeah, there are tons of people for whom AA has been effective. Just as there are tons of people who have just stopped without any treatment.
This post was edited on 6/8/15 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 6/8/15 at 9:58 pm to Mr.Perfect
It can be from genetic predisposition or acquired over time by effects of habituation.
Genetic Influences on Alcohol Drinking and Alcoholism
Genetics Of Alcohol Metabolism
Genetic Influences on Alcohol Drinking and Alcoholism
Genetics Of Alcohol Metabolism
This post was edited on 6/9/15 at 9:13 am
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