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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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It is not a "baby" being "murdered" because some cells pump coagulant.


At what point is it a baby then?


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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
When it can reasonably survive without being completely dependent on being inside the body of the mother.


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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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At what point is it a baby then?


It's not a baby at 6 weeks and it is definitely a baby before the last trimester. Just like the law was.


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CaptainBrannigan
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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At what point is it a baby then?


When it had brainwave activity. Same standard we use when we pull the plug on someone.


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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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At what point is it a baby then?


When it had brainwave activity. Same standard we use when we pull the plug on someone.


We keep a lot of brain dead people on life support.

It's a baby when it is genetically different from the mother, so about a week after conception.


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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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When it can reasonably survive without being completely dependent on being inside the body of the mother.


So needing outside support is your definition of life? If so, people with pacemakers, on dialysis, ventilators etc would like a chat.....


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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
Context is important.


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CaptainBrannigan
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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We keep a lot of brain dead people on life support.


True. But outside of Shivo, do religious morons cry murder when someone is unplugged?


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RabidTiger
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
Please, let the state at the bottom of every important quality of life metric tell us how to govern.


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GeauxLSUGeaux
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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That is the very definition of delusion. Hence, an honest discussion cannot be had. Your foundational premise is out of whack with the real world.


You wanna draw the line at the 3rd trimester. The baby’s organs are fully developed by then and developing sleeping habits all during the 2nd. Babies can and have been born prematurely and lived at 21 weeks and above. And at 3-6 months your raped argument is pretty much crap.

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the way, since you are so opposed to abortion for "moral" reasons, how many children born from unwanted pregnancies have you adopted? I'll hang up and listen.


Dude, the only reason I even replied in this thread is because someone said that raped women would be forced to carry to term and I said there are other options besides carrying to term which in most instances of rape is correct. In the post you replied to I even said this bill was extreme. I just don’t think that using the “incest and rape” excuse is good enough considering it only accounts for a small amount of abortions. It’s an intellectually dishonest argument that elicits emotion for abortion even though it amounts for a small amount of abortions done. It’s the same argument that the left uses for gun control after mass shootings whenever only a small percentage of gun deaths occur from mass shootings but it elicits a more emotional response. But what would I expect from morally inept a-holes.
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tigerpimpbot
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
You didn’t answer my question because, as you know, your answer would serve to expose you as a phony moralist hypocrite. Par for the course, roll tide


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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
I’ve stayed out of his thread for a number of reasons, mainly because abortion is the 1 issue where I legitimately see both sides of the argument, but I just read (and I haven’t been able to verify the accuracy so if it’s incorrect please tell me) that a proposed amendment that would have provided for medical care up to age 3 for any child the state required to be carried to term & it was defeated 23-6.

That really reinforced the perception that pro-life advocates only really care about life up until the moment of birth and not a second longer.


East Coast Band
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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provided for medical care up to age 3

What state has this law?

It's not like the child gets nothing now. There still is Medicaid and food stamps.


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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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What state has this law?


What state has this law indeed, oh the irony
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gamatt53
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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At what point is it a baby then?


At what point should child support be enforced? At what point should government benefits kick in?


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East Coast Band
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
The state provides food, free housing (priority is given to those women who have children), and free education.
The current job market is strong in Alabama.


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JamalSanders
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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but I just read (and I haven’t been able to verify the accuracy so if it’s incorrect please tell me) that a proposed amendment that would have provided for medical care up to age 3 for any child the state required to be carried to term & it was defeated 23-6.


This is the first I've heard of that, so I lean towards it being false.
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That really reinforced the perception that pro-life advocates only really care about life up until the moment of birth and not a second longer.


A lot of people have no idea what the purpose of the Alabama bill is. It's sole job and why it was crafted the way it was and uses the specific language it uses is to be challenged and work it's way to the Supreme Court to attempt to over turn RvW.


Draconian Sanctions
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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This is the first I've heard of that, so I lean towards it being false.


That you haven’t heard about doesn’t mean anything

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It's sole job and why it was crafted the way it was and uses the specific language it uses is to be challenged and work it's way to the Supreme Court to attempt to over turn RvW.


I’m glad everything is so peachy keen in Alabama that you’ve solved all your local and state problems and can now focus on trying to overturn SCOTUS decisions.
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SabiDojo
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
One doesn’t have to believe in expanding welfare programs in order to believe an unborn child shouldn’t be aborted.


Draconian Sanctions
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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One doesn’t have to believe in expanding welfare programs in order to believe an unborn child shouldn’t be aborted.


I didn’t say you did, in fact my exact post says that it gives the impression that pro life advocates care about a child up until the moment of birth and not a second after. Sounds like you’re not disagreeing
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