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cas4t
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
There are formal and informal logical fallacies. I can’t believe I’m debating this. I also have a 9:30 conference call so will have to come back in a couple hours.

False dilemma is another.

Either you are against abortion or you are for murder.
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Centinel
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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There are formal and informal logical fallacies. I can’t believe I’m debating this. I also have a 9:30 conference call so will have to come back in a couple hours.


How..convenient.

And not a single example of a logical fallacy posted so far.

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False dilemma is another.

Either you are against abortion or you are for murder.



Ok, but where did I say this?


Teague
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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What's the difference?


One is an unthinking mass of cells and the other is your friend.

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The thing you and others fail to understand is the subject of abortion is not strictly a medical and/or legal one. It is mostly a moral one.


I don't fail to understand. I dispute the claims of "morality." That is why my first response was about religion, and evidence of conception being the beginning of a person. I understand what people think. But, I say it's wrong.


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Centinel
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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But, I say it's wrong.


And they say you're wrong.


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cas4t
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
Convenient? I assume you never took freshman level ethics? Or are you educated through google?

And you attempting to back me into the corner of morality fits the bill. Had I went further you’d have undoubtedly went into the continuum fallacy too.

It’s common in abortion threads.
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TheCaterpillar
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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there is no exception for rape or incest


Man, what the frick Alabama.



SabiDojo
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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Once there’s a fetal heartbeat does that mean it’s a protected life and we cannot longer deport the mother (becomes an anchor baby)?


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Muh sacred life


I don’t understand what this has to do with believing in the intrinsic value of human life. Just because you’re not a citizen doesn’t mean you’re not human.



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Centinel
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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And you attempting to back me into the corner of morality fits the bill


How is this a logical fallacy?


TheCaterpillar
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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The hope of making it to SCOTUS is likely one of the reasons that there are not exceptions for rape and incest.



So in the meantime, teenagers raped by their fathers are shite out of luck!

Way to prove a point Alabama!


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Damone
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
I think there should be such an exception, but realistically what percentage of abortions are due to rape or incest?


cas4t
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
Dude I’m not explaining individual logical fallacies to you. I’ve listed the 2 that typically fall in these conversations and you unknowingly attempted to back me into. I encourage you to google those 2 (or 3, including the informal fallacy) and read for yourself.

I’ll be back in a bit


cas4t
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
Formal and informal fallacies exist. This isn’t math, it’s ethics. Christ.


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Centinel
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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I’ve listed the 2 that typically fall in these conversations and you unknowingly attempted to back me into.


Ok so now it's I'm "unknowingly attempting" to back you in to a logical fallacy?

Seriously, do you read what you type?

I mean it should be pretty simple if I've made all these logical fallacies to point out my specific words and then say which logical fallacy I made with those words.

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TheCaterpillar
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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I think there should be such an exception, but realistically what percentage of abortions are due to rape or incest?



1 to 2% according to the people in this thread.

If there is just 1 pregnancy due to rape, the exception should be in there. Forcing a woman to carry that is horrific.

I am all about prohibiting late term abortions where the fetus could survive outside the womb. But if a woman is raped and pregnant from the rape and it is relatively early in the pregnancy, then they absolutely should be allowed to terminate it.



Centinel
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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If there is just 1 pregnancy due to rape, the exception should be in there. Forcing a woman to carry that is horrific.


And the vast majority of people that are against abortion would agree with you in this case.

Which shows the Alabama bill was crafted specifically to be challenged in court in the hopes of a Roe v. Wade overturn.



cahoots
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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1 to 2% according to the people in this thread.

If there is just 1 pregnancy due to rape, the exception should be in there. Forcing a woman to carry that is horrific.

I am all about prohibiting late term abortions where the fetus could survive outside the womb. But if a woman is raped and pregnant from the rape and it is relatively early in the pregnancy, then they absolutely should be allowed to terminate it.



What's crazy is that some people would support the death penalty for the rapist but also want to forbid the abortion in cases of rape.

So the government can kill the rapist but the mother can't kill the cells that the rapist forced into her against her will....


TheCaterpillar
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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And the vast majority of people that are against abortion would agree with you in this case.

Which shows the Alabama bill was crafted specifically to be challenged in court in the hopes of a Roe v. Wade overturn.



Great.

So they're forcing rape victims in Alabama to carry the rapist child to term just to accomplish another agenda.

Also, let's say this goes to the Supreme Court and the court sides with Alabama. Are you saying they'll then retroactively repeal the rape and incest portions?



Centinel
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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Also, let's say this goes to the Supreme Court and the court sides with Alabama. Are you saying they'll then retroactively repeal the rape and incest portions?



No clue. It's the Alabama government after all.

However, the intent seems to be to overturn Roe v. Wade in such a way that abortion law is left to the states (not that there aren't people pushing for a nation-wide ban, but the politicians know that will never fly).



SUB
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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
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What's crazy is that some people would support the death penalty for the rapist but also want to forbid the abortion in cases of rape.



"Some" people don't get bills passed. That's why there is an exception in the bill for rape.


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