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re: Alabama cops shoots man exiting his vehicle with his wallet

Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:56 am to
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:56 am to
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I'm living in the real world though where people make poor decisions based off very little information.
The real world where you make about 4 wrong assumptions to support your argument then continue on when those are proven to be wrong?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:56 am to
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where people make poor decisions


Yes, it was a terrible decision to shoot
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:56 am to
Listening to the video again...

Is there a baby crying in the background?

If so that's beyond fricked up.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:56 am to
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Because how can you disprove a cop was "reasonably afraid for his life" if he says so?

Because you can watch the video...
Posted by Blue Velvet
Apple butter toast is nice
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:57 am to
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All dashcam and bodycam video should be public domain.
Posted by Pecker
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Member since May 2015
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:57 am to
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Because how can you disprove a cop was "reasonably afraid for his life" if he says so?



The judge viewed the dashcam footage and determined that it was logical to assume that the cop felt threatened by the driver exiting the vehicle.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112854 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:58 am to
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The courts did. Do you know why?

I watched the video and there was nothing logical or reasonable about the shooting, so in short, my answer is no, I do not.
Posted by RhodeDawg
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:58 am to
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All dashcam and bodycam video should be public domain.

I agree with this too.
Taxpayer signing your paycheck = show me you're doing your job.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:58 am to
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on the idea they can't identify an object?


i think he is arguing the cop thought it was in fact a gun. His actions afterwards do support this...he wouldn't approch the victim and then seemed clearly distraught that he shot a guy without a gun. Unless he was acting for the dashcam I think he made a terrible mistake. Whether it be bad training, bad eyesight, having a bad day who knows.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:59 am to
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Uh, we have to give aid to even people that deserve to be shot.


I'm well aware, I was referring specifically to cases like this. I would imagine I would be compelled to go above and beyond, not just calling an ambulance.
Posted by Pecker
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Member since May 2015
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:59 am to
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Yes, it was a terrible decision to shoot



Yes. It was a decision made in haste and was the result, I believe, of poor training.

Doesn't mean it was illogical for a poorly trained person to make that poor decision. I think there's a serious problem here with posters separating themselves emotionally from the details of the encounter.

All I'm asking is that you be philosophically consistent.
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 11:01 am
Posted by Elleshoe
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Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:00 am to
So it was a traffic accident and the cop was that aggressive with the trigger?

Solidifies my theory on most cops...
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:00 am to
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The real world where you make about 4 wrong assumptions to support your argument then continue on when those are proven to be wrong?



I didn't need those assumptions to prove my point.

Tell me how I'm wrong. If I'm so wrong it shouldn't be difficult for you to do so succinctly.
Posted by Rebelgator
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:00 am to
Go frick a tuba
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87991 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:01 am to
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The judge viewed the dashcam footage and determined that it was logical to assume that the cop felt threatened by the driver exiting the vehicle.
There you go assuming again. That's not how it works. The cop/city/police department is the defendant and has nothing to prove. Logic often plays very little role in a courtroom. How can a plaintiff prove the cop WASN'T threatened? That's the question.
Posted by Iron Lion
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:01 am to
Even if he is poorly trained, that doesn't absolve him. He shot an unarmed man that was no threat to him.
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:02 am to
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i think he is arguing the cop thought it was in fact a gun.


Of course. And it's reasonable to believe that he thought it was an object that posed a threat.

The problem is that posters are arguing with emotion instead of logic.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299384 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:02 am to
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Doesn't mean it was illogical for a poorly trained person to make that poor decision. I think there's a serious problem here with posters separating themselves emotionally from this the details of the encounter.


That's like saying it's not illogical to rob a bank. Sure it isn't, doesn't make it any less terrible.
Posted by Impotent Waffle
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2007
10129 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:02 am to
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Do you assume that's what happened in this instance? That the police officer was able to discern that it was a wallet? That's the relevant question.


Again, Police officers are trained in use of force modules. Where the individual dictates the response. This particular Trooper completely disregarded his training.

This trooper has no business carrying a gun or wearing a badge if this is how handles these types of situations. He is a risk and a liability period.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70025 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:02 am to
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So it was a traffic accident and the cop was that aggressive with the trigger?


yes

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Solidifies my theory on most cops...


i have been involved in 6-7 accidents and pulled over 10-15 times in my life and never had a cop draw his weapon on me...does that dispute your theory
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