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re: Alabama cops shoots man exiting his vehicle with his wallet
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:56 am to Pecker
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:56 am to Pecker
quote:The real world where you make about 4 wrong assumptions to support your argument then continue on when those are proven to be wrong?
I'm living in the real world though where people make poor decisions based off very little information.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:56 am to Pecker
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where people make poor decisions
Yes, it was a terrible decision to shoot
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:56 am to shel311
Listening to the video again...
Is there a baby crying in the background?
If so that's beyond fricked up.
Is there a baby crying in the background?
If so that's beyond fricked up.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:56 am to ell_13
quote:Because you can watch the video...
Because how can you disprove a cop was "reasonably afraid for his life" if he says so?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:57 am to Aubie Spr96
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All dashcam and bodycam video should be public domain.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:57 am to ell_13
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Because how can you disprove a cop was "reasonably afraid for his life" if he says so?
The judge viewed the dashcam footage and determined that it was logical to assume that the cop felt threatened by the driver exiting the vehicle.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:58 am to Pecker
quote:I watched the video and there was nothing logical or reasonable about the shooting, so in short, my answer is no, I do not.
The courts did. Do you know why?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:58 am to Blue Velvet
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All dashcam and bodycam video should be public domain.
I agree with this too.
Taxpayer signing your paycheck = show me you're doing your job.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:58 am to RogerTheShrubber
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on the idea they can't identify an object?
i think he is arguing the cop thought it was in fact a gun. His actions afterwards do support this...he wouldn't approch the victim and then seemed clearly distraught that he shot a guy without a gun. Unless he was acting for the dashcam I think he made a terrible mistake. Whether it be bad training, bad eyesight, having a bad day who knows.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:59 am to Rebelgator
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Uh, we have to give aid to even people that deserve to be shot.
I'm well aware, I was referring specifically to cases like this. I would imagine I would be compelled to go above and beyond, not just calling an ambulance.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Yes, it was a terrible decision to shoot
Yes. It was a decision made in haste and was the result, I believe, of poor training.
Doesn't mean it was illogical for a poorly trained person to make that poor decision. I think there's a serious problem here with posters separating themselves emotionally from the details of the encounter.
All I'm asking is that you be philosophically consistent.
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 11:01 am
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:00 am to Topwater Trout
So it was a traffic accident and the cop was that aggressive with the trigger?
Solidifies my theory on most cops...
Solidifies my theory on most cops...
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:00 am to ell_13
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The real world where you make about 4 wrong assumptions to support your argument then continue on when those are proven to be wrong?
I didn't need those assumptions to prove my point.
Tell me how I'm wrong. If I'm so wrong it shouldn't be difficult for you to do so succinctly.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:01 am to Pecker
quote:There you go assuming again. That's not how it works. The cop/city/police department is the defendant and has nothing to prove. Logic often plays very little role in a courtroom. How can a plaintiff prove the cop WASN'T threatened? That's the question.
The judge viewed the dashcam footage and determined that it was logical to assume that the cop felt threatened by the driver exiting the vehicle.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:01 am to Pecker
Even if he is poorly trained, that doesn't absolve him. He shot an unarmed man that was no threat to him.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:02 am to Topwater Trout
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i think he is arguing the cop thought it was in fact a gun.
Of course. And it's reasonable to believe that he thought it was an object that posed a threat.
The problem is that posters are arguing with emotion instead of logic.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:02 am to Pecker
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Doesn't mean it was illogical for a poorly trained person to make that poor decision. I think there's a serious problem here with posters separating themselves emotionally from this the details of the encounter.
That's like saying it's not illogical to rob a bank. Sure it isn't, doesn't make it any less terrible.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:02 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Do you assume that's what happened in this instance? That the police officer was able to discern that it was a wallet? That's the relevant question.
Again, Police officers are trained in use of force modules. Where the individual dictates the response. This particular Trooper completely disregarded his training.
This trooper has no business carrying a gun or wearing a badge if this is how handles these types of situations. He is a risk and a liability period.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:02 am to Elleshoe
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So it was a traffic accident and the cop was that aggressive with the trigger?
yes
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Solidifies my theory on most cops...
i have been involved in 6-7 accidents and pulled over 10-15 times in my life and never had a cop draw his weapon on me...does that dispute your theory
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