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re: Airport to open 7-8 years before roads to it finished.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 11:53 am to Napoleon
Posted on 11/25/17 at 11:53 am to Napoleon
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This entire airport plan is silly. It wasn't really needed
Disagree. Just travel around the country and you would easily see what an udated POS the current airport is.
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now it's about to create
Nearly a decade of traffic hell.
It will fit right in with NOLA and Metarie, just continue the traffic. When has Louisiana done anything right with roads?
Posted on 11/25/17 at 12:17 pm to White Roach
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f you're going to built a new airport, why remodel the existing one? (Ravens-49ers Super Bowl. What year was that?)
That remodel was part of the bid to get the Super Bowl. But I can promise, it was the proverbial lipstick on a pig. Id did nothing to fix the internal airport problems, the mass inefficencies, the security line problems, and the crappy employees and concessions. Also, that deal was agreed to before Mitchy took office =)
I firmly believe we need a new terminal... and the one we are getting will serve us well for decades to go. Having one large checkpoint will be nice... and having all options available to travelers once through security (not options dependent upon concourse) will be good. This is what most modern airports our size look like.
Having said that... this project has been a disaster from the go. We this shotgun marriage of companies doing the construction. Our aviation director (who, surprisingly, was REALLY good, left right after construction kicked off). The concession contracts, while better than the old terminal, are still less than impressive.
But the lack of a direct ramp is absolutely, positively insane.
Put a damn toll on it. A buck, whatever. Make it all electronic - people can pay their toll online before they go, or they can do a pay by plate system. Or put a toll booth or airport property near the end of the ramp.
Offer a combo toll/parking deal.
There are so many ways to handle this... but they all require a slight amount of progessive, out of the box thinking. Expecting DOTD and/or Kenner to do that is way out of the question.
Also... the tunnel isn't used now because it's a security nightmare. Not sure what changes that.
The lack of plans for parking, rental cars, etc, is absolutely infuriating. A shuttle? Really? That's the great idea? They should have built all that on the north side as well.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 12:21 pm to WPBTiger
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Disagree. Just travel around the country and you would easily see what an udated POS the current airport is
Have you ever travelled through LaGuardia? LGA is like a third world bus terminal, yet it's always packed with travelers. MSY didn't need a new terminal, Mitch wanted one.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 12:21 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I mean, as soon as they started site clearing for this terminal, I thought to myself, surely they are going to soon start the roadway infrastructure that's going to be necessary to actually get people there. I kept wondering and wondering, when that was going to start, knowing there was no way those little streets and existing interstate exit configurations would be able to handle it.
State has no money to pay for it (and if they did... every other fricking part of the state would want the same amount of money for their "pet projects". Airlines won't pay for it. FAA money can't be used for it. City of NOLA surely has no money to pay for it. Kenner just get laughed at.
Everyone pointed the finger at everyone else.
This is what happens when governments don't work together and alternative financing solutions aren't considered.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 12:22 pm to Napoleon
Why does Kenner need an airport? Who would ever go there?
Posted on 11/25/17 at 12:26 pm to White Roach
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LGA is like a third world bus terminal, yet it's always packed with travelers. MSY didn't need a new terminal, Mitch wanted one.
We ain't New York. Also... LGA is being completely rebuilt.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 12:32 pm to Napoleon
I was at MSY Wed night. It was the biggest clusterfrick I've ever witnessed at an airport. Took me 15 mins to get from Airline to arrivals and over 20 mins to get from arrivals back to Airline. The criss cross traffic setup is beyond retarded.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 12:35 pm to LSUFanHouston
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That remodel was part of the bid to get the Super Bowl. But I can promise, it was the proverbial lipstick on a pig. Id did nothing to fix the internal airport problems, the mass inefficencies, the security line problems, and the crappy employees and concessions. Also, that deal was agreed to before Mitchy took office =)
I know the Super Bowl was awarded while Nagin was mayor, my point was that an extensive - even if only cosmetic - renovation took place before the Ravens/49ers Super Bowl. That'll be five years ago in February.
As to your point about security line problems, crappy employees and concessions; do you actually think any of that will change? Moving the terminal a mile north is going to suddenly improve the work ethic and personalities of the surly frickers who work at the airport? I doubt it.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 12:36 pm to LSUFanHouston
Kenner has no say in it. They are the ones raising the red flags. Kenner politicians are pissed because they know the constituents are going to blame them for the traffic.
Then you still don't have the Veterans overpass widened, that boondoggle backs traffic up to Loyola at rush hour, with the airport crap it'll be back to 310 everyday if not longer.
Then you still don't have the Veterans overpass widened, that boondoggle backs traffic up to Loyola at rush hour, with the airport crap it'll be back to 310 everyday if not longer.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 12:46 pm to LSUFanHouston
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We ain't New York. Also... LGA is being completely rebuilt.
Of course we're not New York. Yet with all the money New York and the Port Authority (isnt LGA run by PANYNJ? I know JFK, EWR and Teterboro are) have, they've put off rebuilding a place from the '40s until now. I know they're faced with more complicated logistical challenges than we are, but that place has been a dump for at least 20 years.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 12:49 pm to LSUFanHouston
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We ain't New York. Also... LGA is being completely rebuilt.
I'm betting the necessary traffic flow infrastructure is part of the rebuild process and not being possibly built 7-8 years after the new terminal.
I mean I guess I just don't get the benefit of a shiny new terminal that nobody will be able to get to. There's no way construction should have commenced without plans for that in place. You can keep cheerleading for Mitch all you want, it still won't make it make any sense at all.
This post was edited on 11/25/17 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 11/25/17 at 12:50 pm to Napoleon
This sounds like Baton Rouge planning.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 12:53 pm to White Roach
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The won't have to. All passenger activity will be out of the new terminal. The existing terminal will be used for cargo and general aviation, I think.
So all the rental cars and private parking will be on the opposite side? That makes a lot of sense.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 12:59 pm to bayou choupique
LAX and many others do this, you bus to the rental cars.
I think LAS did too
I think LAS did too
Posted on 11/25/17 at 1:07 pm to White Roach
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As to your point about security line problems, crappy employees and concessions; do you actually think any of that will change? Moving the terminal a mile north is going to suddenly improve the work ethic and personalities of the surly frickers who work at the airport? I doubt it
I think it will help the security problems. But even that is dependent on the TSA employees.
As far as the other stuff... this is a chance for the airport to change how it deals with the concessions (very few people at the airport actually work for the airport). They need to demand their concessions do better.
Hudson Group (who currently has the retail contract) will be replaced at the new Airport. Delaware North - Chase which has the dining contract will have half of the dining contract at the new place. So hopefully some new managers coming in will result in better hiring. Also... the new contract requires all concessions to be open no later than 430 am and stay open until at least 9 pm... later if flights depart after 9 pm.
The later operating times should help.
Here's hoping the new companies hire more like Chic Fil A and less like McDonalds
Posted on 11/25/17 at 1:11 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I mean I guess I just don't get the benefit of a shiny new terminal that nobody will be able to get to.
Totally agree. However, that doesn't mean the terminal should not have been built... instead it means that the roads plan should have been part of it. Not addressed years after the fact.
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There's no way construction should have commenced without plans for that in place.
Again, totally agree.
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You can keep cheerleading for Mitch all you want, it still won't make it make any sense at all.
It makes lots of sense for all the reasons myself and others have posted. Having said that... the lack of roads and off-terminal infrastructure is a HUGE HUGE problem for which Mitch deserves a bunch of blame. The idea of a new terminal for MSY was surprisingly forward-thinking for a place like here... however... the way this has happened is pathetic.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 1:16 pm to Napoleon
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LAX and many others do this, you bus to the rental cars.
I think LAS did too
Which is a pain in the rear. One of the nice things about the current setup is the relative ease of getting to parking and rental (of course, once you drive out, it's a disaster because of how the roads are configured).
Having a crappy way to deal with this because other airports have a crappy way of dealing with this isn't a good idea. This airport needs all the advantages it can get.
The only way this works, at all, is to shut down access to the current access road / close the ramps from I-10 and Vets and from the airport/Airline... and use that access road to run the busses. If we were really good... we would use a anove=ground rail or people mover of some sort on this path.
One of the things i despise about MCO is having to shuttle from the gates to the terminal... but at least it's quick.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 1:23 pm to Napoleon
Why is everyone calling this a new airport? It’s a new terminal.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 1:29 pm to Napoleon
PHX does it too. You have to take the train to rentals at SFO.
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