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Posted on 6/19/24 at 5:50 am to jlovel7
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Currently we have a carrier that’s 50 years old, made in the USA, and hasn’t given us any trouble in literally years.
Seriously, you should consider a funeral service with full honors. I would take a portrait of this old boy and hang it on the wall.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 7:00 am to jlovel7
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Thankfully our government overlords
While it is indeed federal regulation the fact is that the industry drove the regulation, not environmental groups. The latter were no doubt on board but the money drives change. Constantly changing the standard is a wind fall for the industry....new units are more profitable than service calls. Not necessarily for contractors but for the manufacturers and they drive the industry, contractors just react.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 7:07 am to Clark14
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Get ready to spend around $1700 to replace it though
Are you replacing the refrigerant or the system? If it's the system, you can multiply that amount by 6
Posted on 6/19/24 at 7:10 am to jlovel7
Get a whole new system. Your electric bill will plummet. At this point it is like you dumping money into an old vintage car which happens to also be your daily driver.
Trane/American Standard, Carrier would be my top two recs. Amana had a lot of money invested in R&D and has vastly improved over the past ten years.
Discount AC's like Rheem/Heil stay away.
Trane/American Standard, Carrier would be my top two recs. Amana had a lot of money invested in R&D and has vastly improved over the past ten years.
Discount AC's like Rheem/Heil stay away.
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 7:12 am
Posted on 6/19/24 at 7:19 am to jlovel7
I just recently learned the same thing. Had to get a new unit. The government does not work for the people, only the politicians
Posted on 6/19/24 at 8:02 am to Mariner
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Get a whole new system. Your electric bill will plummet.
this, 50 years is awesome longevity but old baw has probably paid for a new unit over the last 2-3 years in excessive utility bills
Posted on 6/19/24 at 8:07 am to EST
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Frick the EPA, the Federal Government, radical environmentalists, politicians who allow this, and dumbasses who buy into the whole "climate change emergency" crap.
I have bad news for you, pal.
Our good ‘ol “conservative” senator Kennedy co-sponsored the new refrigerant ban bill. Look up the AIM act.
This is because DuPont chemical came out with a new patented refrigerant which they manufacture in Louisiana. So, like any good corporation, they picked up the phone, called their senator, and had Kennedy write a bill to ban the competition’s products.
Just remember that next time Kennedy talks tough on TV.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 8:09 am to TIGERHOLD
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Our good ‘ol “conservative” senator Kennedy
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he always seem to vote for pay raises for the military too
Posted on 6/19/24 at 8:16 am to Czechessential
quote:no way that upfront $12,000+/- today pays out due to lower utility bills over the average shorter life of new equipment. I don’t even need a calculator.
this, 50 years is awesome longevity but old baw has probably paid for a new unit over the last 2-3 years in excessive utility bills
Posted on 6/19/24 at 8:17 am to whoa
mine is 15 and needed R22 last summer - thankfully my home warranty covered it - 100 bucks ad they fixed me up.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 8:28 am to White Bear
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that upfront $12,000+/
I realize prices post Covid are ridiculous but I replaced both of my units a few years prior to Covid for less than $12k and they've both paid for themselves(appr. 3800 sq.ft.) a fifty year old unit is just burning up money, and I'll bet at that age the structure isn't the best insulated, would probably see about a 75% savings in peak months
Posted on 6/19/24 at 8:36 am to Czechessential
quote:my estimate is based on a quote of $9-10k to replace a 3.5 ton one year ago.
I realize prices post Covid are ridiculous but I replaced both of my units a few years prior to Covid for less than $12k and they've both paid for themselves(appr. 3800 sq.ft.) a fifty year old unit is just burning up money, and I'll bet at that age the structure isn't the best insulated, would probably see about a 75% savings in peak months
Posted on 6/19/24 at 8:41 am to White Bear
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my estimate is based on a quote of $9-10k to replace a 3.5 ton one year ago.
I'm sure the prices are outrageous right now, I forget what the seer ratings on my two units are, downstairs unit is slightly bigger than upstairs, but I replaced them both within the last 10-12 years and the total cost was just under $12k
Posted on 6/19/24 at 9:54 am to Czechessential
https://abilityrefrigerants.com/ has R-22 for $329/10lbs $449/15lbs and $895/30lbs. I bought 2 30lbs cylinders last year and periodically it needs a little due to a very small leak. I probably have enough for the next 5-7 years and then I will think about a new unit.
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 9:55 am
Posted on 6/19/24 at 10:40 am to UAinSOUTHAL
Is it legal for a homeowner to buy R-22 directly from online retailers? I thought one had to be certified/licensed to buy direct? Is that not the case?
Posted on 6/19/24 at 6:24 pm to Obtuse1
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Thoughts
R410a
Sorry, I have literally been in A2L meetings all day. I would let others test the new equipment in their homes. Kind of like a new car. Manufacturers are not ready (including us) so expect some hiccups through 2025. Things have not been completely ironed out on these future installations.
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 6/19/24 at 7:02 pm to MardiGrasCajun
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MardiGrasCajun
Thanks
Posted on 6/19/24 at 7:13 pm to Czechessential
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I'm sure the prices are outrageous right no
I paid right at $15k to replace a 4 ton 15 or 16 SEER in Dec. 2022. Prices for 2023 were going to be about 10% higher. my electric bill is down about $70/month (average billing) for 2500sf.
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