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re: Abraham Lincoln radically changed the nature of the Civil War on this day 161 years ago
Posted on 9/22/23 at 12:24 pm to DakIsNoLB
Posted on 9/22/23 at 12:24 pm to DakIsNoLB
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Slavery may well have been on the way out, but the transition to mechanical agriculture was not ready yet, hence one of the reasons the South wanted to maintain slavery. Their entire economy was built on it. It was a long time after the end of the civil war that mechanical agriculture became the norm in the South. Sharecropping became the primary means of cultivating crops.
i get the motivation for the south but can't criticize Lincoln by saying "slavery was on its way out" while defending the south. The same South had slavery as a right in their Constitution.
Slavery as a practice is hypocritical to the principles the USA was founded on. That cancer should have never been allowed to fester
This post was edited on 9/22/23 at 12:51 pm
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Posted on 9/22/23 at 12:42 pm to Screamin Jay
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Only the wealthy could afford slaves.
The majority were owned by the wealthy, sure, but it definitely wasn't "only."
This post was edited on 9/22/23 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 9/22/23 at 12:48 pm to Screamin Jay
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I'm just wondering how the White population exploded into a super majority. By your records we should be 50/50 or 60/40.
European immigration continued at a high rate, black African immigration was negligible and blacks dispersed from the south to major urban areas throughout the continental US.
Of course, Margaret Sanger played a role, too, cause frick them kids.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 1:07 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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...imo slavery was an enterprise on its very last legs anyway. The forthcoming Industrial Revolution would have rendered the practice obsolete within 20 years. All the war did was leave hundreds of thousands dead, and a nation permanently divided.
I believe this also
This post was edited on 9/22/23 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 9/22/23 at 1:30 pm to RollTide1987
All your history threads absolutely suck. They should be downvoted into oblivion
Posted on 9/22/23 at 1:36 pm to McGruff21
Ain't nothin' civil about war.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 1:36 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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The majority were owned by the wealthy, sure, but it definitely wasn't "only."
Beyond ownership, you also have to acknowledge that many smaller farmers who couldn't own slaves used slave labor by renting them from plantation owners. Normally this was done via a percentage of their crops that year.
At a principal level, the idea slavery would have died out even when mechanical farming became the norm is a bit optimistic. The landed gentry would have still kept their slaves for housework and a lot of other labor that tractors couldn't do.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 1:42 pm to Screamin Jay
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I'm just wondering how the White population exploded into a super majority.
I wouldn't base it on the roughly 7 highest black and enslaved percentages I shared. Several of the states were very low black population in general. Especially in certain northeastern states. Not to mention the territories...
Posted on 9/22/23 at 1:47 pm to McGruff21
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All your history threads absolutely suck. They should be downvoted into oblivion
Why would you say something like this to a contributing poster. The history guys here love it.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 1:49 pm to RollTide1987
Frick You Abe, it's all your fault.
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Posted on 9/22/23 at 1:57 pm to Dire Wolf
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i get the motivation for the south but can't criticize Lincoln by saying "slavery was on its way out" while defending the south. The same South had slavery as a right in their Constitution.
Slavery as a practice is hypocritical to the principles the USA was founded on. That cancer should have never been allowed to fester
I meant this to say that slavery being on the way out isn't a defense to let it run it's course. They were too far away from it running it's course to let it continue.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 2:11 pm to dawgfan24348
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You act like the South was going to be willing to give slavery up. Either way you slice it the South rebelled and left the Union to keep people in chains. The attempt to white wash it or confront it with whataboutism is truly astonishing
Ease up on the virtue signaling. You're reading me completely wrong, if you are in fact responding to me. I'm noting that they were not going to give it up even with the likelihood of it being on it's way out because mechanical agriculture was too far away and their economic stake was such that they would not let it go. I'm not stating a defense of slavery; I'm stating on aspect of why they held on to it so adamantly. The mere fact that the Southern economy was in tatters for decades after the war because a slavery-based cotton export industry was blown up supports that argument. Acknowledging the economic side does not deny the inhuman side. They go hand in hand. Far easier to justify a slave based economy to themselves when you prop up the idea that people enslaved are less than human.
And, yes, I do believe they would have given slavery up willingly as soon as mechanical agriculture was proven to be the cheaper and more lucrative option, but I don't believe that would have boded well for former slaves. At best, if a game changing event like the Civil War had not happened, former slaves would have been second class citizens that would not have been much better off.
This post was edited on 9/22/23 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 9/22/23 at 2:16 pm to Heinrich H
Sherman did his job. This is warfare. You play for keeps and do what has to be done to make the other side give up.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 2:19 pm to RollTide1987
I'm mad slaves were ever brought to North America.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 2:20 pm to RollTide1987
Trolling slavery on a Friday. SMH.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 2:22 pm to RIPMachoMan
I didn’t know the delta Madison, Tensas Concordia we’re nearly 90% of the population was slaves in 1860. 
Posted on 9/22/23 at 2:29 pm to sta4ever
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h oh. You bout to upset some people baw. They don’t like hearing the truth.
I like hearing the truth and Lincoln launched a war to stop southern seccession which was gauranteed by the 10th amendment. The constitution is quite on the issue so the states are relegated the power, Lincoln was a tyrant. Sorry to break it to you union just causers.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 2:39 pm to Bullfrog
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Tractors are more efficient than slaves.
Want to know what is more economically efficient than paying a tractor driver? Not paying a slave a single dime to operate a tractor.
My goodness. You people act like the practice wouldn't have evolved to fit the times.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 2:41 pm to SouthernHog
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He didn’t free the slaves in the North.
He didn't free the slaves in the south either. The Emancipation Proclamation has always been taught that President Lincoln freed the slaves. He didn't free the slaves in the North, he didn't fee the slaves on the border states, and he sure didn't free the slaves in the south. The southern states had already seceded and created their own country, Lincoln had no authority to free the slaves in the CSA. It was all just smoke and mirrors.
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