re: A hundred school shootings a year wouldn't change my mind

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Centinel

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provide a link

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You can start here. It includes hyperlinks to the studies it cites where you can read further if you wish.

Politico

I see we found the "Dan Crenshaw conservative" in the group.....

We don't need anything other than a little love and care. Got all the rules and regs we need. Just love your fellow man, woman, he, she, it whatever. That's all

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The Spleen

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I'm going to ignore it's from Politico, and just go off what the article says.

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Many gun advocates will protest at this point that not all defensive gun uses are reported to the police, which is true. However, Kleck’s surveys and the NCVS reports indicate that more than 50 percent of such incidents are reported to the police.

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Well that's just nonsensical logic. 80% of the time, it works all the time...

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Kleck and Gertz often defend their paper by claiming that their results are consistent with the findings of other private surveys. They explain that the reliability of a survey should be judged by the degree to which it coheres with the estimates of other surveys. However, using a tool we know to be flawed, over and over again

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Come on. You can't write an article claiming to be objective, and then state "we know we're right, but the contradicting evidence is wrong." That's piss poor, agenda driven "journalism" not surprising from Politico.

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The spurious conclusions in these surveys don’t just distort the pro-gun community’s perception of defensive gun use. For example, the claim that millions every year shoot their guns in self-defense has led some to posit that there are more defensive gun uses than criminal uses. This assertion is inexplicable—not backed by any substantive evidence. We have yet to find a single study examining the question that does not show that criminal uses far outweigh defensive uses.

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"We haven't done the research yet, so the claims must be false" again lazy.

I'm going to stop reading the article. In summation. There is a set of data that disagrees with Politico. Politico then finds statistics that agrees with their assumption, and therefore, that data is valid.

So let's try this spleen, rather than fish for statistics, address what i said a few posts ago. Convince me that you are right, and i am wrong. (FWIW, i'm not trying to be contentious, just want an honest debate).

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You can start here. It includes hyperlinks to the studies it cites where you can read further if you wish.

Politico

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You seriously linked to Politico? Are you really that stupid?

From the CDC study after Sandy Hook:

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Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010). On the other hand, some scholars point to a radically lower estimate of only 108,000 annual defensive uses based on the National Crime Victimization Survey (Cook et al., 1997). The variation in these numbers remains a controversy in the field. The estimate of 3 million defensive uses per year is based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys. The former estimate of 108,000 is difficult to interpret because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use.

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A different issue is whether defensive uses of guns, however numerous or rare they may be, are effective in preventing injury to the gun-wielding crime victim. Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was “used” by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies (Kleck, 1988; Kleck and DeLone, 1993; Southwick, 2000; Tark and Kleck, 2004).

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This is a bullshite argument.

Especially from the people who see children get shot and run to comfort their guns.

Of course gun control will be discussed
More after a mass Shooting. If you asked me a month ago what my opinion was it wouldn’t be different.

You’re argument is that people should scream about every single issue all the time or they don’t really care and that’s nonsense.

Rocket launchers have a mind of their own. They don't go where you point and shoot them at very good. But I agree with your point

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I'm not even taking a pro-gun control position but how is this relevant to any discussion?

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Wanting guns "banned or restricted" doesn't stop violence. If a gun, in and of itself is incapable of violence, then the banning of said inanimate object will not stop a violent act.

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Drugs are inanimate objects.

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Correct. When taken, some drugs induce mind altering affects, hyper aggression, disassociate personality, lower inhibitions. A gun, just sitting there, won't cause a human to act outside of his nature. Some drugs, will cause humans to act outside of their nature. I support the "illegality" of some drugs, but also realize that making drugs illegal isn't going to stop someone from taking them if they really want to.

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Rocket launchers are inanimate objects.

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Lazy

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Books are inanimate objects and some people sure as hell think we need to worry about every last one of those that a kid may look at

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Children are impressionable. I don't think 3 year olds should be learning about sex from government workers.

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cahoots

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If you want to delve deeper in these parallels, fine, but i want to know the argument you are getting at.

Also, you never addressed the shitty wapo article that lied about the Georgia mental health bill.

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Especially from the people who see children get shot and run to comfort their guns.

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This is a mischaracterization. Some people simply don’t believe that tragedies should be used as a tool to infringe in people’s rights.

The problem is, many of the solutions proposed would do nothing to stop the shootings. For instance, people will scream on Facebook about how “we must do more to stop these tragedies” And then turn around and suggest universal background checks. Is there any evidence that (1) this kid used a gun that he purchased and (2) that a background check would have prevented the purchase?