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re: A hundred school shootings a year wouldn't change my mind

Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:40 pm to
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:40 pm to
Ok ok everyone calm down. Let's talk about something we all can agree upon, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the vaccine.
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
67751 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:41 pm to
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Clames


Complete annihilation

Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:43 pm to
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Ok ok everyone calm down. Let's talk about something we all can agree upon, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the vaccine.



lol
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
14135 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:43 pm to
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How about the thread title?


The thread title does not say that the OP or myself are ok with school shootings. You people and your projection never cease to amaze me. Truth be told, you are the ones that are fine with the school shootings as it helps you advance your leftist ideology.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
18748 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:44 pm to
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Just to be clear here, you are implying you will murder someone if the poster in question came to your home and demanded your guns verbally.


No, not what I implied at all. You really are a dishonest coward behind a keyboard though.

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You wouldn't just laugh and shut the door on his face and tell him to get off your property or you'll call the police, you'll just kill him?


I would do all that, but given your current state of mind and posting history of late I somehow doubt you'd take the hint. I actually doubt you'd actually show up to anyone's door because all you do is talk. You don't have the spine to put your words into real advocacy, spend real money, provide technical information to groups in support of what you believe. You are just here making asinine proposals that have zero chance of doing anything and asserting without proof or authority that they are creditable solutions.
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
16738 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:45 pm to
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Truth be told, you are the ones that are fine with the school shootings as it helps you advance your leftist ideology.




This is exactly correct. To the left wing yesterday was not a tragedy, it's an opportunity. They're sick
Posted by Northshore_LSU
Member since Jun 2018
879 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:50 pm to
More armed civilians prevent mass shootings. The proof is on the FBI website if you want to do your own research.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:55 pm to
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This is exactly correct. To the left wing yesterday was not a tragedy, it's an opportunity. They're sick


Will you find it equally sick when Abbott uses this tragedy as a platform when addressing the NRA crowd this weekend in Houston? Because he will politicize it and 2A most assuredly.
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
14135 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:57 pm to
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Depends on we. Use a logical age for gun ownership responsibility. All schools should have limited/restricted access points. And when one enters there needs to be security watching very closely. No access after school starts unless one enters past security and then to the administrators office. Sign in. Security provided by the state and not the school district. Have a school district police force.


I agree with this.
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
51373 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:57 pm to
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What are your solutions?

We need to invest more time and money into mental health clinics as well as making them free to use. We also need some type of reform to where people like these shooters can’t acquire them or at least make it more difficult for them to obtain. Mental health has been a topic that has always been talked about but nobody has actually tried to do something about aside from a few politicians. When we have super lax gun laws added onto our current culture and how little we seem to care for mental health facilities it’s not a surprise shite like this is happening. I know this is a rather simple term but I’m at least not trying to say it’s an issue with one solution or it’s something to be ignored
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
51373 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:59 pm to
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To the left wing yesterday was not a tragedy, it's an opportunity. They're sic

What’s sick is this tribalistic nature that makes you think anyone on the other side is happy something like this happens.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 2:59 pm
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
14135 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:59 pm to
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Do what? What do you want done? You can't just say, "we just need to do something" and your only response be something nebulus like "common sense gun laws" or "government needs to act". That kind of non-speak is why nothing gets done. It's political words for political parties to beat each other over the head with.


That's because when people say those phrases, they really mean they want to end the second amendment and outlaw guns.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
18748 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:00 pm to
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After extrapolating their flawed survey results to the general population, the annual defensive gun use against intruders, where a shot was supposedly fired, or a home robbery was deterred, would require over 100% of all home robberies reported annually to have been successfully deterred by defensive gun use. For more criminals to have been shot than all the available medical, CDC, and police records researchers could find.


Problem here is you, like the idiot authors you are citing, only focus on the extreme range of Kleck's findings. If you read his actual research, which I gave you a link to, you'd know that he based his work on previous studies that drew very similar conclusions. The range of a few hundred thousand to 3,000,000 leaves a lot of room and Kleck explains that. Kleck has also responded to these critiques with more data and for some reason that has gotten ignored by Cook and Co. Maybe because it turns out they really didn't know what they were talking about.

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That contrasted with things like the Gun Violence Database that collects every single reported incident of crime and defensive gun use reported to local police,


No it doesn't. In fact the GVD has been known to publish very flawed data. Since the vast majority of DGU's are not reported to police it would seem that the GVA is not exactly the best definitive source. But gun-control advocates like Cook et al know that and don't really care about the quality of their work when there's an axe to grind.

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The numbers, for lack of a better word, simply dont add up. The methodology, for lack of a better word, is shite. No matter how many times you blind link things you havent read, or declare you intellectual superiority, as you post another thing that doesnt actually bolster the case you think it does, and in fact does the opposite.


Until you start actually reading these studies and putting up the actual numbers used, in their proper context, you really should STFU and stop making yourself look the hypocrite here. I've given you a link to the actual study, it's only 39 pages. Why don't you actually read it and explain the methodology used and then try to compare it to the critique. You might learn what an unintentionally dishonest hack you are.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85352 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:01 pm to
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We need to invest more time and money into mental health clinics as well as making them free to use.


Sounds great. How are we assuring compliance?

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We also need some type of reform to where people like these shooters can’t acquire them or at least make it more difficult for them to obtain.


like? You demanded solutions from others, so you need to provide specifics here.

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I know this is a rather simple term but I’m at least not trying to say it’s an issue with one solution or it’s something to be ignored


You are right. At least those people have a distinct answer and/or opinion. You have neither.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
72707 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:01 pm to
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To the left wing yesterday was not a tragedy, it's an opportunity. They're sic


kind of like dawgfan2348’s boy Beto.
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
16738 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:05 pm to
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Will you find it equally sick when Abbott uses this tragedy as a platform when addressing the NRA crowd this weekend in Houston?





Speaking of politicians politicizing tragedy, let's look at something that did happen, not what might happen

Beto O'Rourke(D) interrupts press conference

Beto interrupts Governor's press conference
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:07 pm to

Beto embarrassing himself means what again to my question?
Posted by Areddishfish
The Wild West
Member since Oct 2015
6422 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:11 pm to
I'm just saying I had to do it and I did and there wasn't any other obstacle or waiting period I had to encounter.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
72707 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:11 pm to
if Abbott politicizes the tragedy at the NRA convention, he deserves as much pushback as your boy Beto is getting now.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293015 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:12 pm to
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if Abbott politicizes the tragedy at the NRA convention,

Anyone politicizing this is a piece of shite.

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